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I just watched the Hagbard Celine vid on bluffing, and the hand in particular was with him 3 betting a late pos open with K8s from the button, and he said that his K8s hand wasnt good enough to flat, but insted raise. I understand where its not good enough to call, but not really sure on whats so great about reraising with it. Not saying its bad, but im just not fully understanding that move.
I've watched lots of training vids, from this site and others…and I always hear people say ” this hand is too bad to flat with, im going to raise with it”..but none of them go into detail as to why its a good play…so if someone can please explain this to me..i would really love some insight into this..
What are the advantages of this move? One that i can think of is playing in position postflop..But i can also get that by just calling…But what other things should i be looking for or taking advantage of..and also,what if any HUD stats are good to look out for on other players? And how do we exploit them?
As a made up example,we are 40 bb's effctv, co raises 2.5-3x, im on button with 44, what stats should i look for in regards to whether i raise or flat? Or do we just raise these kind of hands regardless…what other hands besides 44 fall into this range ?
I hope im getting my question off clearly, kind of gotta lot of crap goin on in my head with this one..thanks for everyones responses.
I have not watched the video yet and i am only a small stakes part time player, but here are my thoughts on the situation.I think reraising K8s in position is to steal the pot. He is probably looking at the PFR% of villian and the fold to 3 bet %. And if he does actually get a call ,he is in postion and is representing a stonger holding than K8s (although i guess that also depends on his own table image). I also think 3 betting these types of hands are easier to do as you know exactly what to do with them if you get 4 bet, FOLD!! Also you have more ways to win the pot than if you just call, you take the lead in the hand and you define your opponents hand.As i said ,i am no pro, these are just the thoughts of a part timer trying to improve my own game. So if anyone wants to correct me on anything please do.
July 3, 2010
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There are a few basic reasons.
The original raiser could fold and we scoop the money.
The original raiser could flat and we have the lead in the hand plus position so a c-bet could take it down when flatting pre means we'd often be folding to a c-bet.
3 betting hands like this expands our 3 betting range and helps our bigger hands gain more action, especially if we 3 bet and fold to a 4 bet or 3 bet and reach showdown with a hand like this.
Then the table knows you're not just 3 betting the 4 best hands in poker so your image gets looser.
For low stakes you shouldn't care about balance – just 3 bet your premiums in all honesty unless you start getting pretty far into the tournament and notice that people are opening and folding to raises.
As you move up, you'd start with a polarized range of hands – all your premiums plus suited connectors, suited 1 gappers, and maybe even some random trash hands.
A “merged” range would include more mid-pairs and hands like KQo and JQs as a base model …
I agree with wilmont. Coolers has the nuts as usual
wildbill and coolers both gave some solid reasons.
one thing to keep in mind is that if an opponent is rarely flatting 3bets, but almost always folding or 4betting, then the playability of your hand really doesn't matter at all.
given the hand earlier where i 5bet villain, i expected him to flat my 3bet with a higher frequency than he might otherwise, so i want my hand to have some playability.
as for your hypothetical, i'd want to know how much he's opening and how he reacts to 3bets–does he mainly fold and 4bet really strong hands, or will he flat a decent amount and play OOP? if it's the former than like i said, your hand doesn't really matter. if it's the former, then you want some playability and i'd rather have stuff like A5s/KJo/etc than 44.
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