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ACR $1500 GTD Top pair, nut flush draw on flop
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August 29, 2015 - 11:49 pm
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Game ID: 468181729 175/350 TURBO10 – $1,500 GTD MEGA STACK, Table 18 (Hold'em)
Seat 7 is the button
Seat 1: pokerpupil (4248).
Seat 2: dell griffin (21705).
Seat 3: navinbits (24445).
Seat 5: plo8monster1 (9820).
Seat 6: capt3495 (11558).
Seat 7: DirtyCop (30175).
Seat 8: D.Mentia (17685).
Seat 9: Dmcgraw22 (7120).
Player D.Mentia ante (35)
Player Dmcgraw22 ante (35)
Player pokerpupil ante (35)
Player dell griffin ante (35)
Player navinbits ante (35)
Player plo8monster1 ante (35)
Player capt3495 ante (35)
Player DirtyCop ante (35)
Player D.Mentia has small blind (175)
Player Dmcgraw22 has big blind (350)
Player dell griffin raises (777)
Player navinbits calls (777) (Aspade 2spade)
Player plo8monster1 folds
Player capt3495 calls (777)
Player DirtyCop calls (777)
Player D.Mentia calls (602)
Player Dmcgraw22 calls (427)
*** FLOP ***: [4spade Adiamond Kspade]
Player D.Mentia checks
Player Dmcgraw22 checks
Player dell griffin bets (666)
Player navinbits raises (1998)
Player capt3495 calls (1998)
Player DirtyCop folds
Player D.Mentia folds
Player Dmcgraw22 folds
Player dell griffin allin (20227)
Player navinbits allin (21635)
Player capt3495 folds

Guys, no reads on main villain. I assume calling the shove is pretty standard here? Any concerns calling a raise from EP with Aspade2spade? I assumed calling raise with A2-A5 is ok, but A6-A9 is a no-go… 
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Fold pre-flop, call flop. Having a pretty hand is not by itself a reason to raise. What are you looking to accomplish with your flop raise?

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Andrew, what do you think about calling suited aces pre to balance your calling range so it's not just pocket pairs for set mining (when stacks are this deep)? Do you recommend only doing so when you're in later position so you don't end up in a 6-way pot? (But then you want a pot this deep with a speculative hand, right? But then the pot size is going to make someone more likely to shove … .)

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You’re right that you shouldn’t be flatting only sets, but I think there are better hands for flatting than Axs. Also you shouldn’t be thinking of it as a “speculative hand” if by that you mean that you are mostly just trying to make a flush. Set-mining is an exception, but in general your strategy shouldn’t be built around playing passively trying to draw to a big hand and then get paid off when you get there.

Here’s a good way to think about constructing your range. So you know you want to flat a lot of PPs because you think set mining will be profitable. If your opponents knew this were your strategy, how could they react?

Well, they could c-bet you tons, especially on high card boards, because of how rarely you flop sets. Then when you do continue past the flop they could just give up. So how will you disincentivize them from doing these things?

You want hands that DO flop well on the kinds of flops that are bad for pocket pairs, meaning broadway cards. You also want hands that you can use as bluffs on the kinds of flops that are especially good for your PP range. Suited and connected big cards tends to make the best bluffing hands. So, you fill out your flatting range with a lot of suited broadways and large suited connectors.

Yes, suited Aces can also produce these kinds of hands, but they don’t do it as well. They don’t flop draws as often as suited connectors, and they don’t flop top pair as often as broadway hands.

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Foucault said:

You're right that you shouldn't be flatting only sets, but I think there are better hands for flatting than Axs. Also you shouldn't be thinking of it as a “speculative hand” if by that you mean that you are mostly just trying to make a flush. Set-mining is an exception, but in general your strategy shouldn't be built around playing passively trying to draw to a big hand and then get paid off when you get there.

Here's a good way to think about constructing your range. So you know you want to flat a lot of PPs because you think set mining will be profitable. If your opponents knew this were your strategy, how could they react?

Well, they could c-bet you tons, especially on high card boards, because of how rarely you flop sets. Then when you do continue past the flop they could just give up. So how will you disincentivize them from doing these things?

You want hands that DO flop well on the kinds of flops that are bad for pocket pairs, meaning broadway cards. You also want hands that you can use as bluffs on the kinds of flops that are especially good for your PP range. Suited and connected big cards tends to make the best bluffing hands. So, you fill out your flatting range with a lot of suited broadways and large suited connectors.

Yes, suited Aces can also produce these kinds of hands, but they don't do it as well. They don't flop draws as often as suited connectors, and they don't flop top pair as often as broadway hands.

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