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February 3, 2011 - 12:27 am
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Poker Stars $10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t25/t50 Blinds – 6 players
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meanage (BB): t2975 59.50 BBs
lilmike1029 (UTG): t3395 67.90 BBs
pokerpimps81 (MP): t320 6.40 BBs
n_nHei (CO): t3725 74.50 BBs
Herdaman187 (BTN): t7560 151.20 BBs
Hero (SB): t5030 100.60 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with A of diamonds A of clubs
lilmike1029 calls t50, pokerpimps81 raises to t320 all in, 2 folds, Hero raises to t650, 1 fold, lilmike1029 calls t600

Flop: (t1670) 5 of hearts 7 of hearts 8 of hearts (3 players – 1 is all in)

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February 3, 2011 - 1:17 am
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I like checking here. I'm gonna call any bet, if checked back no heart on the turn and jam. if he pots it on the flop no heart on the turn jam. Heart comes and I'm gonna check fold. If he pushes on the flop I'm calling. Bottom line I want get the turn as cheap as possible so that I have as much fold equity to apply then if no heart comes. If he's got the flush all ready so be it thats the chance you took by letting him in. Don't be greedy with a single pair three way.

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i dont think you can check here and let him have a freeroll at a flush or a straight. Im assuming that his UTG limp then his call of your 12bb 3bet committing nearly 20% of his stack that he's a very weak passive player. Without any other reads on him a guy of this profile probably wont bet a weak flush draw on this board so you have to take your chances, assume your hand is still in the lead and bet it for value. He probably calls with all his draws so youll get enough value by betting. just jam a safe looking turn card, and consider check/folding a scary card (depending on your read of the villain. i.e. if he's capable of having enough air in his range on the turn shove when the flop gets ugly, but im not assuming he's hyper agro considering his PF line).

 

Thats how i would play it, if he got there on the flop then so be it.

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February 3, 2011 - 4:20 pm
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i like fire here you will find out exactly where you stand by doing so and you cant think that your opponent has flopped the world here either.

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so we're b/c ai or bet shoving/folding turn depending it's a heart or not?

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I think you have to fire a c-bet here.  Like ttwist mentioned you will find out where you stand. I probably would have done a higher isolation raise pre-flop but since you didn't, it gives you the chance to c-bet.

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G0liath said:

i dont think you can check here and let him have a freeroll at a flush or a straight. Im assuming that his UTG limp then his call of your 12bb 3bet committing nearly 20% of his stack that he's a very weak passive player. Without any other reads on him a guy of this profile probably wont bet a weak flush draw on this board so you have to take your chances, assume your hand is still in the lead and bet it for value. He probably calls with all his draws so youll get enough value by betting. just jam a safe looking turn card, and consider check/folding a scary card (depending on your read of the villain. i.e. if he's capable of having enough air in his range on the turn shove when the flop gets ugly, but im not assuming he's hyper agro considering his PF line).

 

Thats how i would play it, if he got there on the flop then so be it.


Agreed…Keep the aggression going…If u check behind ur pretty much done with the hand and ur 3bet preflop to iso the shortie meant nothing…Flopping a flush/straight is very unlikely, fire up a 2/3 pot size bet and beready to race it up.

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February 9, 2011 - 9:21 am
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I would c-bet here and if called re-evaluate the turn.  If no heart comes on turn I would be shoving. 

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February 9, 2011 - 9:32 am
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Who the hell limps then calls your raise to 600.  I don't even know how to approach this spot because it's so confusing but I'd probably just keep going with the aggression and not assume he flopped the world.

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February 9, 2011 - 12:42 pm
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C-bet for sure you are giving way to much value up by letting him get a free turn card.

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February 9, 2011 - 1:28 pm
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any info at all on the limp/caller?

 

i think your sizing PF is totally fine, if the guy wants to limp for 50 and call an additional 600 OOP that's awesome.

 

my inclination is to bet for value/protection, although i'm not sure we can bet/call. depends a lot on the player-type of the limper. if he's passive then i'm happy bet/folding. if he's prone to bluff then i don't hate checking back and bluff-catching on good runouts.

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UTG Limp/call there, no reason to think that the board smashed him. I c-bet here hard virtually all the time. I think you are very likely to catch calls from JT, QJ, KJ, J9, QT, KT, AJ those types of hands which are very likely given the screwy play from him (low stakes guys love to play there hands, but not enough to raise them a lot of the time). I think best course of action is to pound on him and see what he does. He re-raises the C-bet I think we can call (unless huge) and then see what the turn develops. No reason to give him credit here for it without him doing something to tell you he has it. Low guys love to play face up, I would follow Ttwists advice and ask him what he has in the form of a bet.

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February 9, 2011 - 6:39 pm
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FWIW there isn't a ton of room to be bet/calling and reevaluating turns. when we bet we are either bet/getting it in or bet/folding. even if he just calls the cbet there will only be ~1PSB left.

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February 10, 2011 - 1:33 pm
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iso more pre-flop.

 

As played c-bet flop and evaluate.

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