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December 17, 2014 - 3:35 pm
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#Game No : 650464407

***** 888poker Hand History for Game 650464407 *****

$25/$50 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***

Tournament #64456698 $1.80 + $0.20 – Table #22 9 Max (Real Money)

Seat 1 is the button

Total number of players : 9

Seat 1: Kasia1993 ( $2,620 )

Seat 2: KORBINUS ( $5,636 )

Seat 3: Portista113 ( $4,145 )

Seat 4: SeeMy420 ( $2,874 )

Seat 5: SanJok72lis ( $1,905 )

Seat 6: london_ace ( $3,210 )

Seat 7: NuggetBLR ( $2,365 )

Seat 9: Jingolbells ( $1,090 )

Seat 10: red3red14 ( $3,155 )

KORBINUS posts small blind [$25]

Portista113 posts big blind [$50]

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to london_ace [ Aheart, Aspade ]

SeeMy420 folds

SanJok72lis folds

london_ace raises [$100]

NuggetBLR folds

Jingolbells calls [$100]

red3red14 calls [$100]

Kasia1993 calls [$100]

KORBINUS calls [$75]

Portista113 calls [$50]

** Dealing flop ** [ Jspade, 4heart, 7spade ]

KORBINUS bets [$300]

Portista113 calls [$300]

london_ace calls [$300]

Jingolbells folds

red3red14 folds

Kasia1993 calls [$300]

** Dealing turn ** [ 6heart ]

KORBINUS bets [$900]

Portista113 calls [$900]

london_ace ????

 

hey

 

Reads – Most of these players are loose passive fish.

 

Just wondering if we should jam turn or do you prefer calling turn and  re-evaluating on the river?

 

This is a rebuy tourney , which you only get 2 rebuys. 

 

cheers.

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Definitely shove, when you have a hand that can't improve it rarely behooves you to play rivers. There are all sorts of draws out there and you don't know who has what, so you can't really expect to show a profit either value betting or bluff catching many rivers.

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Make your sizing bigger .

 

Its also interesting to note we have blockers to both nut flushdraws so villains range will be weighted to straight draws and paired hands which makes this more of a shove i believe.

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Kalculater said:

Make your sizing bigger .

 

What's wrong with sizing?

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With 60bb pre-ante on a table filled with loose-passive players we should be getting more value by making our sizing bigger imo.

 

With this sizing its going to be alot harder to get our stacks in on 3 streets if that is what we wish to do.

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You're right that the pots become smaller by default when we start off small. However, we do this (stay consistent in our sizing) and get to be deceptive instead. We don't necessarily make the most money with the best hands. We make money by playing situations better than our opponents. While I'm not a fan of going multiway post flop with aces, it's gonna happen sometimes. If theyre minraising their entire range, I like it.

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With 60bb pre-ante on a table filled with loose-passive players we should be getting more value by making our sizing bigger imo.

 

With this sizing its going to be alot harder to get our stacks in on 3 streets if that is what we wish to do.

But you don’t necessarily want to build a pot with every hand in your range. A smaller raise size enables you to play more hands profitably. I can certainly see the case for a larger raise, but I don’t think Hero’s sizing is wrong. It’s probably what I would do.

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My default is to 3x at this stack size without antes with my whole range. Whilst I agree we are opening our whole range the same size to be deceptive, this early in a tournament my range is more weighted towards value hands and I want to build larger pots when I have big hands.

 

In general, dont we want to build bigger pots earlier so that the bad players can make bigger mistakes against us? As the tournament progresses the field thins considerably and the average villain is a better player as the worse players have already stacked off. I want the worse players to make bigger mistakes and give me more value against a range that is more weighted towards value.

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I think in the early stages of the tourney your hands don't only need to be weighed towards value hands unless your strategy is just to play tight of course. When we mini raise pre with our entire range it allows us to play not only our value range but also a very wide range of hands like suited connectors 1 or 2 suited gappers, you may decide to mini raise with these hands, see a flop for a cheap price for most part , most of the time though your going to have to treat these hands as semi bluff hands.

expert loose-aggressive players raise in position with a wider range of hands, not in attempt to steal the blinds , but to build a pot that they'll most likely win post flop – especially against players who call frequently from the blinds – then check the flop and frequently fold to a bet. The weaker your opponents the looser your pre flop range should be , because you'll always have the ability to outplay him post flop, especially when the structure is deep. Playing two cards both below an eight can be very profitable against predictable opponents when you connect with the flop, because your opponents will never expect you to hold such a hand.

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