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February 2, 2015
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Live WSOPc event – $365 re-entry
Blinds 200/600/1200
MP (42,000)
HJ (38,000)
BB-Hero (12,000)
Currently 9-handed
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MP was a very good player. Mid 60s, very wealthy, high stakes PLO player. I watched him make a sick soul read on a player earlier in the day and noticed him calling down with bluff catchers several times to scoop the pot. Very intelligent, reads hands well, knows the odds, plays position/chip stack situations well, etc.
HJ was a solid player also. Mid 20s, online and live reg but probably not a pro. He called a large value bet from me earlier in the day to ship me a huge pot, but since then had become much more aggressive with his betting lines to include more re-raises rather than flat calls post flop.
Hero had a rather nitty table image and was starting to become a target for some of the stronger players at the table due to my stack size. They were floating me a lot post-flop and re-raising the turn or river to put my stack at risk. I recently lost a hand that I tried to bluff when a flush scare card hit the river, but got flatted by player holding top pair top kicker and mucked my hand at showdown which seemed to confuse a few people given my image.
Preflop:
Hero dealt AA in BB
MP limps for 1200
HJ limps for 1200
SB folds (he was the only player with a smaller stack than me at around 8,000)
Hero raises to 5200
MP calls 4000 more
HJ calls 4000 more
Flop (17,400): 2h 5h 9c
Hero shoves remaining 6800
MP shoves
HJ folds
Does my line make sense here? Obviously I want to get my stack in, but I wanted to try to make sure I got a caller also. With the blinds about to go up again I really needed to chip up a bit to get the target off of my back. I contemplated shoving preflop, but thought I may be able to get more value and make it more likely to get a caller by using a raise and then shoving on the flop (which seemed to work as intended, but I don't want to be results biased). I wasn't sure that MP would have called a pre-flop shove and am almost certain that HJ would have folded but both had shown a tendency to make loosish calls to a single raise. Thoughts?
February 28, 2015
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I think the line makes sense as long as you knew before the flop that you were going all in no matter what. I probably just shove preflop here with 10 BB because if everyone folds you collect 2.5 BB and your chances of winning an all-in preflop are higher than post-flop in most situations with AA. If someone has two hearts like K9 they probably call the all-in after the flop with the chance at the flush but fold preflop. Single pair of 9’s probably calls post-flop that wouldn’t call pre. Chances are they would call pre with pocket 9’s and maybe pocket 5’s and in this case would catch the flop and take you either way. But this is a good flop for you in a high percentage of cases.
January 16, 2015
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Gosh, I dunno.
First off, I'm astonished both villains limp-called such a strong raise from a player with a nitty table image. I cannot fathom how either, let alone both, can possibly justify flatting here. I guess once the cut-off calls the button is getting very good odds to call, even so, I'm not sure it's correct given that the big blind only has 6ish bbs behind. I'm not sure how one goes about accounting for that.
You're going to have better success getting money out of me either jamming or checking through preflop. That 1/3 stack raise preflop with 10bbs is the nuts (or dern near close 'nuff anyway) like nine times out of ten. Even with your 10bbs stack I'd consider folding JJ (very doubtful I'd have limped JJ, but for the sake of argument), I probably wouldn't have folded JJ because of my uppity inner donk, but I'd at least give it some thought. I'd be pretty sure that against that raise I'd flipping JJ at best.
If I know my opponent to be very tricky, I'd jam JJ, but against a random player I'm going to strongly consider folding.
I think your preflop raise size is very exploitable in that it allows me to get away from some pretty strong hands that I wouldn't think twice about when calling a jam. Even if my opponent is a tricky player and is making this weird raise with poop, I know they're almost never going to fold and that makes all my decisions easier.
It's probably not technically correct to fold JJ here, but I feel like that raise is so strong it warrants consideration. In my experience that raise is almost always AA or KK, I don't think I've ever seen someone do that with AK.
November 18, 2013
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I will take your word that MP is good at hand reading and calculating odds, but a PLO player that likes to light make hero calls and limps from MP after antes is probably calling too often to be a “very good player.”
To me, if I see a player with a 10 BB stack raise 3BB instead of jamming, I'd also be highly suspicious. I would think, “Why is he allowing himself to be pot-committed OOP?” and put you on a very tight range of hands where you want a call and are comfortable shipping any flop. It's unlikely you would raise this amount with 66-JJ or AJs or most medium strength hands. Whereas, when I'm facing a jam, I was assume your range is much wider.
Against a “very good player” I would jam my whole range with 10BB. Against a rich PLO stationy gambler, you could make this play with KK and AA, but it's highly exploitable.
July 16, 2014
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I think shoving 10 BB’s makes the most sense.
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December 6, 2012
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The only reason not to do this is if it will look suspicious. That doesn't seem to be a problem here, so mission accomplished. Forget all that business about “blinds going up soon” etc, you pretty much always need to chip up and want to take the line that will get more money in the pot when you have AA.
February 20, 2015
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I'm wondering about your initial assessments of these players if they both limped. If I see the BB has 10 BB (were you the short stack?) I'm never limping even if I have a limping range. And with your image I'm expecting you to fold to a raise anyway.
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