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August 20, 2015
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Hi all.
Playing a £50 live tournament. Mix of players, 72 entered, 14 remaining. I’m down to 10 big blinds after blind increase. I get KK on the button after folds to me and I think about it before shoving, hoping to look weak. Get two folds.
Shortly after I’m on AA in UTG+1 with AA and I’ve got just over 11 blinds, and shove as well.
Both times it’s to look weaker in the hopes of being called – i think that 2.5 to 3x here looks suspiciously strong given how little I’d have left behind. I’m beginning to think though that I should have bet both smaller and got it on on most flops instead, if I’d been called pre.
Wondering if this is a big leak when at the 10-12 big blinds point as I’m missing opportunities for opponents to get a piece of the flop and get it in there?
February 20, 2015
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It depends on what else is in your shoving range. How did you get to 10 bigs? If you were blinded down, you’re going to have a tight image. Min-raising may get a call or 3-bet.
If you’ve been active at the table, shoving in other spots, your range appears balanced here, and it means your opponents just didn’t have anything to call with.
August 10, 2014
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Unless you have a limping range at that stack, shoving is very standard.
Bit of a cooler no one called when you have the top of your range, but picking up the blinds without a showdown is WAY better than people think it is.
August 20, 2015
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I lost a bunch of chips when SB raised my BB. I had Ac5c and flop was Ad4d6d, he checked, I bet and he went for a 2.5x raise of my bet, and this guy had not been out of line yet so I had to fold. Didn’t pick up a hand, my next BB was 93 and raised by an MP, and then nothing until the KK a bit later. We’re down to seven handed and I didn’t have a chance to open a pot.
Might have missed a spot after the KK/AA when I had J7o on the button and would have shoved for about 7BBs, and folded feeling the hand was too weak. I would have been happy to take the blinds there – but figured the hand was not strong enough.
Too weak a fold on the button with J7?
July 21, 2015
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Hi,
I think this depends on how good your table is. In a table full of regs I will be shoving these hands as they know my range is fairly wide and will call with weaker holdings. On the other hand, weaker players don’t really know about shove/call ranges at these stacks, and probably are not aware that a OR with these stacks is normally very strong (I will use other type of hands too, I also have a OR/fold range for 12-15bb). Anyways, I would certainly open 2x, no need to make it 2.5x or 3x, as even weak players know you are never folding after opening with this sizing.
Being a live 50$ tournament, I would probably open 2x with both hands, and I would have jammed the J7o with 7bbs on the button.
April 30, 2015
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I will take the line Thomps takes as well. But I am doing this with so many other hands in D, SB and BB situations where I 2.5x. From watching Matthew Hunt’s videos on short stack play, it seems that a raise and call a 3-bet is more profitable in these spots with almost any 2 cards than just shoving, and an added advantage is that you have a premium hand.
September 29, 2012
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It all depends. Are there antes? How many hands have you previously shoved? Did you showdown?
All in all, if I just got to 10BBs and haven’t open shoved any hands yet, I would min-raise both of these.
August 20, 2015
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Yes, antes are in play. I have shoved twice and shown AJs. Have tight image and won most showdowns with the best hand. Have shown flopped sets when opponents folded, and was shoved into when I flopped set of kings.
September 29, 2012
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Also, I don’t know about where you play, but here in the US these low level live MTTs have a lot of players playing level 1 poker. Of course, there are always exceptions, but for the most part, you can choose exploitative lines instead of worrying about being exploited yourself very often. This is because the competition at that level for the most part, is just not that good.
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December 6, 2012
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I’m going to be my usual contrarian self and suggest that it doesn’t matter very much one way or the other. There are times when a shove gets folds but a min-raise would have gotten action, and times when a min-raise gets called by the BB and costs you your stack to a hand that would have folded to a shove. It’s easy to get results oriented and say “everyone folded, should have raised smaller”, but probably no one had anything and even a min raise wouldn’t have gotten action. You aren’t going to win a pot when you have AA, and sometimes you’re going to lose one.
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