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I have two notes on this V:
1 – he raise blind versus blind with BTN all in with Q2s, (BTN really short, paid ante and was all in);
2 – he raise from HJ, I call BTN or CO, don´t remember now, but I had position on him, and on a flop 473 rainbow, he folded oop, not check to me, just folded. 

IPoker, $9.10 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 120 ante) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager – The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 34,688 (28.9 bb)
Hero (BB): 28,765 (24 bb)
UTG+1: 16,724 (13.9 bb)
UTG+2: 9,134 (7.6 bb)
MP1: 16,652 (13.9 bb)
MP2: 38,200 (31.8 bb)
MP3: 57,938 (48.3 bb)
CO: 35,648 (29.7 bb)
BTN: 52,113 (43.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Aspade 9diamond
3 folds, MP2 raises to 2,400, 4 folds, Hero calls 1,200

Flop: (6,480) 2heart 3club Aheart (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets 2,700, Hero calls 2,700

Turn: (11,880) 6spade (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: (11,880) Qspade (2 players)
Hero bets 4,800, MP2 raises to 32,980 and is all-in, Hero ??

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To me, he has at least an A with a better kicker than you in order to risk all his stack on this board. I see him on the following hands:

22-33-66-QQ-45s-A9+

Even with hands like A9, AT, AJ, I find it weird not to bet OTT.

I fold here.

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If you are having trouble ranging an opponent, try thinking about your own range. What hands could you have here, besides A9? Try putting them into two buckets, the calls and the folds. In other words, just looking at your own range, you should have some hands that call, and some that fold, and neither bucket should be vastly larger than the other. That might help you to get some perspective on where this one hand fits in your range.

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Squallneo said
To me, he has at least an A with a better kicker than you in order to risk all his stack on this board. I see him on the following hands:

22-33-66-QQ-45s-A9+

Even with hands like A9, AT, AJ, I find it weird not to bet OTT.

I fold here.

I guess is possible this V to have a better Ace, but I assume he would bet smaller OTR, since he check turn, I think for pot control, then he shoves river, looks that Q improve his hand to me.

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Yes that’s what I think too in terms of weighting the outcomes.

Another holding he could have I guess is KQ given the size of the pot by the river, and the fact that you are on the BB, so he could be less inclined to think that you have an Ace, and so he could be thinking that you were trying to steal the pot.

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Foucault said
If you are having trouble ranging an opponent, try thinking about your own range. What hands could you have here, besides A9? Try putting them into two buckets, the calls and the folds. In other words, just looking at your own range, you should have some hands that call, and some that fold, and neither bucket should be vastly larger than the other. That might help you to get some perspective on where this one hand fits in your range.

Ok, lets break this range down smile

I assume I call a mini raise with somewhere near to 34%: JJ-22, AQs-A2s, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, AQo-A9o, A5o-A2o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o

OTF My range to Check/call: JJ-22, AQs-A2s, KhQh, KhJh, QhJh, KhTh, QhTh, JhTh, Kh9h, Qh9h, Jh9h, Th9h, Kh8h, Qh8h, Jh8h, Th8h, 9h8h, Kh7h, Qh7h, 9h7h, 8h7h, Kh6h, 7h6h, Kh5h, 6d5d, 6s5s, 6c5c, 5d4d, 5s4s, 5c4c, AQo-A8o, A5o-A2o
I think I am check raising flop with 4h5h and 6h5h, A2 and A3 most of the time as well. 22 and 33 usually check raise turn.

With this range to call OTF, ck/ck Turn, OTR:
I lead with AQ, AJ, AT, A9, A6, A3, A2, KhQh, JJ-22, about 50% pot.
I lead with Kh6h, QhJh, QhTh, Qh9h, Qh8h, Qh7h, 7h6h, about 1/3 pot.
I check call a normal bet with A9, A8, A7, A5, A4 (~50%pot) A9 is on the line to bet or check call small bet.
I check fold the rest, maybe I have miss some hand here, I think not.

OTR there is 11880 on the pot, and hero have 23665 in stack, I don´t have any hand that I check call the river for overbet like V did here, or I lead half pot targeting weak Ace or Queen, KK JJ TT, or I fold to overbet. AT I guess if I check, I call bet pot OTR, but that will be like a crying call.

How do I balance that range? Is necessary to balance playing micro stakes ($2 to $11)? Today I was moving up stakes lol ($5 to $20), I will wait to see how to work better this range now. Take me almost one hour to do this analise, but absolutely worth, I am actually surprise to see this range, and how I can be exploited at the tables.

Andrew, you are my hero!!!

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Squallneo said
Yes that’s what I think too in terms of weighting the outcomes.

Another holding he could have I guess is KQ given the size of the pot by the river, and the fact that you are on the BB, so he could be less inclined to think that you have an Ace, and so he could be thinking that you were trying to steal the pot.

I don´t know if V would turn KQ into a bluff here, but at this stakes is possible hehehe

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almofadinhas said

Foucault said
If you are having trouble ranging an opponent, try thinking about your own range. What hands could you have here, besides A9? Try putting them into two buckets, the calls and the folds. In other words, just looking at your own range, you should have some hands that call, and some that fold, and neither bucket should be vastly larger than the other. That might help you to get some perspective on where this one hand fits in your range.

Ok, lets break this range down smile

I assume I call a mini raise with somewhere near to 34%: JJ-22, AQs-A2s, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, AQo-A9o, A5o-A2o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o

OTF My range to Check/call: JJ-22, AQs-A2s, KhQh, KhJh, QhJh, KhTh, QhTh, JhTh, Kh9h, Qh9h, Jh9h, Th9h, Kh8h, Qh8h, Jh8h, Th8h, 9h8h, Kh7h, Qh7h, 9h7h, 8h7h, Kh6h, 7h6h, Kh5h, 6d5d, 6s5s, 6c5c, 5d4d, 5s4s, 5c4c, AQo-A8o, A5o-A2o
I think I am check raising flop with 4h5h and 6h5h, A2 and A3 most of the time as well. 22 and 33 usually check raise turn.

With this range to call OTF, ck/ck Turn, OTR:
I lead with AQ, AJ, AT, A9, A6, A3, A2, KhQh, JJ-22, about 50% pot.
I lead with Kh6h, QhJh, QhTh, Qh9h, Qh8h, Qh7h, 7h6h, about 1/3 pot.
I check call a normal bet with A9, A8, A7, A5, A4 (~50%pot) A9 is on the line to bet or check call small bet.
I check fold the rest, maybe I have miss some hand here, I think not.

OTR there is 11880 on the pot, and hero have 23665 in stack, I don´t have any hand that I check call the river for overbet like V did here, or I lead half pot targeting weak Ace or Queen, KK JJ TT, or I fold to overbet. AT I guess if I check, I call bet pot OTR, but that will be like a crying call.

How do I balance that range? Is necessary to balance playing micro stakes ($2 to $11)? Today I was moving up stakes lol ($5 to $20), I will wait to see how to work better this range now. Take me almost one hour to do this analise, but absolutely worth, I am actually surprise to see this range, and how I can be exploited at the tables.

Andrew, you are my hero!!!

🙂 You did a good job!

Is it necessary to balance? No. If you believe that you can exploit an opponent in a particular way, then do it! The exercise I suggested is useful if you find yourself in a spot where you have no idea what to do, such as here. You don’t want to be folding your entire range, nor do you want to be calling your entire range. Rather, you want to be calling roughly in proportion to the what Villain risked on his bluff.

Here, V’s shove risks 19K to win 17K, so you want to be calling a bit less than half the time to make him indifferent to bluffing. You need to look at the hands in your betting range and see which are best for calling and which for folding.

What’s tricky about the exact hand that you have is that it’s a pure bluff-catcher. In other words, in an equilibrium strategy, you probably are indifferent between calling and folding. I tend to to default to folding such hands, because not bluffing enough is a more common error than bluffing too much, especially in a spot like this.

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Foucault said

🙂 You did a good job!

Thanks!!

I will do this more often, is a really nice exercise, but will be hard to do when playing

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