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September 14, 2014
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#Game No : 631856453 ***** 888poker Hand History for Game 631856453 ***** $1,400/$2,800 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** Tournament #62720785 $3.60 + $0.40 - Table #63 (Real Money) Seat 6 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: silelunu ( $30,892 ) Seat 2: emelien24 ( $46,746 ) Seat 3: riflemepapa ( $80,768 ) Seat 4: Terrormiliz ( $92,978 ) Seat 5: pashka55555 ( $100,084 ) Seat 6: london_ace ( $79,266 ) Seat 7: 1HAX1 ( $128,545 ) Seat 9: jovialkent ( $47,634 ) Seat 10: 1XtraVert ( $161,126 ) 1XtraVert posts ante [$350] 1HAX1 posts ante [$350] london_ace posts ante [$350] pashka55555 posts ante [$350] jovialkent posts ante [$350] riflemepapa posts ante [$350] Terrormiliz posts ante [$350] emelien24 posts ante [$350] silelunu posts ante [$350] 1HAX1 posts small blind [$1,400] jovialkent posts big blind [$2,800] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to london_ace [ As, 2c ] 1XtraVert folds silelunu folds emelien24 folds riflemepapa folds Terrormiliz folds pashka55555 folds london_ace ???
Hey.
Reads - V on the sb is a really bad player.
V on the bb seems kinda aggro
My question is here, if we decided to raise it up here , should we be calling a 3-bet shove vs BB and fold vs sb?
BB has like 15bigs behind, so there's a good chance they may resteal.
cheers!
My opinion is to open 2.8-3.2x to make it look like your not folding to the short stack. I think if either still 3bet I am folding.
September 14, 2014
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Good point with opening on the larger side.
I just think if we raise on the button and then faced a 3-bet shove we will be getting decent odds to call , these are the spots i've got leaks in…
I wonder if it'l be ev+ to call against an aggro opponent here? it's rather close i believe.
November 4, 2013
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I’ve been wondering lately about holdings like A2-A7 in various spots of late position (CO or button). I realize we can’t be so nitty as to fold preflop regularly, but I have been doing so in some situations, usually when for some reason I think I am likely to be reshoved on (whether both blinds are aggro or because I have been very active recently)
I realize that if they are shoving often, they are also wide, but the thing is even their weak holdings are almost always live against us, and we rarely have dominating equity against them (k2?) Basically I do not like calling reshoves with these hands at all.
There may be some results oriented thinking going on for me, but it seems like lately I’ve both gotten into trouble by playing these spots, and avoiding beheadings by not playing these spots.
I want to clarify that I’m not folding pre on the button just because I have a2o, but some situations have caused me to do so.
Without knowing how you felt here, I kind of like a 2-2.5x, and a fold to a raise.
September 14, 2014
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yeah, well if we know they are likely to shove wide , we're likely to be a favourite vs their 3-bet shoving range , if we were going to put our hand ranges in and then figure what pot odds we are getting to call , it's likely going to be profitable to call although it can be marginal. If we are on a tough table we may decide to make these marginal calls here, however if we've got an edge on our opponents folding could be a better option so that we can preserve our stack and look for better spots.
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December 6, 2012
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folding_aces_pre_yo said:
yeah, well if we know they are likely to shove wide , we're likely to be a favourite vs their 3-bet shoving range , if we were going to put our hand ranges in and then figure what pot odds we are getting to call , it's likely going to be profitable to call although it can be marginal.
Do you really know that? Try giving him a range and looking at your equity against it.
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December 6, 2012
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hawkeyeK9 said:
My opinion is to open 2.8-3.2x to make it look like your not folding to the short stack. I think if either still 3bet I am folding.
Is that how you would play Aces? If I'm BB in this spot, I usually assume you're more likely to fold to my shove if you do this, because you are going out of your way to make your hand look strong.
September 14, 2014
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Hey andrew
I played about with the ranges and this is what we got.
Equity Win Tie
BU 41.86% 35.77% 6.09% { As2c }
BB 58.14% 52.05% 6.09% { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q8s+, JTs, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
i figured out the pot odds for this as well
if we decided to raised it up from the button (standard mini raise) and v 3-bet shoves with this range , hero will be getting 1.2 to 1 on the call which means we need 45.5% equity against this range for this to be profitable.
Clearly we've got 41.86% equity which means if we raised we're gunna have to fold to a shove.
so now when i look at it , i think opening here is good against tighter opponents that's unlikely to play back at you or likely to fold to their blinds a good majority of the time. If we do get shoved on we can safetly fold.
August 4, 2014
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derSchwartz said:
I've been wondering lately about holdings like A2-A7 in various spots of late position (CO or button). I realize we can't be so nitty as to fold preflop regularly, but I have been doing so in some situations, usually when for some reason I think I am likely to be reshoved on (whether both blinds are aggro or because I have been very active recently)
I realize that if they are shoving often, they are also wide, but the thing is even their weak holdings are almost always live against us, and we rarely have dominating equity against them (k2?) Basically I do not like calling reshoves with these hands at all.
There may be some results oriented thinking going on for me, but it seems like lately I've both gotten into trouble by playing these spots, and avoiding beheadings by not playing these spots.
I want to clarify that I'm not folding pre on the button just because I have a2o, but some situations have caused me to do so.
Without knowing how you felt here, I kind of like a 2-2.5x, and a fold to a raise.
I think the point you made that they will have 2 live cards although we will be ahead is a very good point.
I have been suffering from this lately and adjusted my game accordingly. Whenever I think I am ahead, I get binked on and Im like wtf… Recently I realized that it is most of the time under my control to get it in with better odds.
So, I am def opening A2 and just like Schwartz mentioned, I will make it 2-2.5x, to be more exact, I will make it around 6000 and fold to a 3bet shove. Most of the time, it will not get to this and we will get the fold. If they had around 5 bbs though, I would get it in with A2 happily because their range will widen up even more and I will be ok losing 5bbs if he hits one of his live cards. Or if we had a better stack, I would still raise and call a shove for 15bbs with A2. Just not in this spot.
September 14, 2014
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@ neverAA , really it depends on the tendencies of the players on the blinds. For instance if you know they are loose and they’ve got a high resteal % then we should just fold however against tighter opponents i think r/f would be good with almost your entire range.
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