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August 21, 2012
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Hand#3135C0EC58001157 – $2,000 GTD Deepstack T12643416 — CASH — $10 + $1 — 9 Max — Table 37 — 0/40/80 NL Hold'em — 2012/11/05 – 13:34:12
Dealer: Seat 5
Seat 1: MONTANAGOV (5,320 in chips)
Seat 2: ryguy1466 (6,437 in chips)
Seat 3: wasabiroll (7,368 in chips)
Seat 4: Jaakeli (4,120 in chips)
Seat 5: ChuckBlaze (10,106 in chips)
Seat 7: CBOULDERS74 (9,493 in chips)
Seat 8: ICCthroughyo (7,480 in chips)
Seat 9: hi riser (6,230 in chips)
Seat 10: bolyn (6,130 in chips)
CBOULDERS74: posts small blind 40
ICCthroughyo: posts big blind 80
Dealt to ChuckBlaze [Td,Ad]
hi riser: raises to 240
bolyn: folds
MONTANAGOV: folds
ryguy1466: folds
wasabiroll: folds
Jaakeli: folds
ChuckBlaze: calls 240
CBOULDERS74: folds
ICCthroughyo: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts,8h,5d]
hi riser: bets 300
ChuckBlaze: calls 300
*** TURN *** [3d]
hi riser: bets 600
ChuckBlaze: raises to 1,345
hi riser: calls 745
*** RIVER *** [3c]
hi riser: bets 1,945
ChuckBlaze: folds
hi riser: returns uncalled bet 1,945
***SHOW DOWN***
hi riser: mucks
hi riser wins 3,890
Looking for a line check. Not too much of a read on the player been at the table for about 10 hands. My thinking going in was to call a bet in position with the intent of calling one at least. I flop the 10 and continue with my plan. I opt for a check raise when I also turn the nut flush draw. How was my bet sizing? when he calls and then leads I give him credit for a JJ+ type hand. Just don't see many hands I'm ahead of. Hows my line overall? opinions of the fold etc
June 3, 2012
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While I like seeing flops with hands that can hit huge and stack opponents, this is a perfect example of why calling an EP raise with a hand like AT just puts you in crappy spots. His line could easily be an overpair going for river value if he puts you on a hand like T8, or a bluff with a missed draw (though you hold nut diamonds) and unless he had something like J9s and plays it UTG, he's not going to have a lot of bluffs here. He could also have a hand like 88/55 as well. You also have 88/55 in your range here a decent bit and it doesn't seem like he cares (or can range people). Readless I'm going to fold this early on.
Maybe I'm just a nit, but I don't like raising the turn here. Don't want to stack off 6k if he shoves over our turn raise and we have way too much value to turn our hand into a bluff. Probably calling flop/turn and deciding river.. which I'm leading towards the fold based on what I said above.
August 21, 2012
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about 10 hands later this hand comes up. he's been a little aggro and got a nice double with KK where he 4bet strong and got it in on a low flop with KK.That hand I had 3bet the original raiser and folded after his 4bet with KK and a call pre.
Hand#3135C0EC58001371 – $2,000 GTD Deepstack T12643416 — CASH — $10 + $1 — 9 Max — Table 37 — 0/50/100 NL Hold'em — 2012/11/05 – 13:43:00
Dealer: Seat 2
Seat 1: MONTANAGOV (2,745 in chips)
Seat 2: TheReaIness (4,545 in chips)
Seat 3: wasabiroll (7,268 in chips)
Seat 4: Jaakeli (4,395 in chips)
Seat 5: ChuckBlaze (7,888 in chips)
Seat 7: CBOULDERS74 (7,916 in chips)
Seat 8: ICCthroughyo (7,360 in chips)
Seat 9: hi riser (16,532 in chips)
Seat 10: bolyn (8,580 in chips)
wasabiroll: posts small blind 50
Jaakeli: posts big blind 100
Dealt to ChuckBlaze [8d,8h]
ChuckBlaze: raises to 200
CBOULDERS74: folds
ICCthroughyo: folds
hi riser: raises to 600
bolyn: folds
MONTANAGOV: folds
TheReaIness: folds
wasabiroll: folds
Jaakeli: folds
ChuckBlaze: raises to 1,295
hi riser: calls 695
*** FLOP *** [3s,2h,7c]
ChuckBlaze: bets 1,370
hi riser: calls 1,370
*** TURN *** [Ts]
ChuckBlaze: is all in 5,223
??? thoughts
July 11, 2012
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I think it's player/table dependant.. 60bbs effective with position 2 lines come to mind
A- bump it up OTF. I like the smallish sizing you chose on the turn, make it similar (650-725) on the flop/check behind turn/snap off some of his river leads. We could also bet/calloff on the turn and feel okay about it even vs. the tightest of ranges..
B- call flop/call turn/evaluate river
You create problems for yourself raising the turn. It may not be a big factor in $11 f/o's but still,, you're kinda turning your hand face up here and destroying some of the implied value of the backdoor FD. JJ+ is more likely to find a fold or just check/call on diamond rivers.
May 30, 2012
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Hand 1 nut card to flat turn, in general he is going to b/c a ton of his overpairs on a diamond river so we have 3 aces 2 10s and diamonds to complete our hand. fold river as he has JJ+ and we are crushed.
July 11, 2012
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duggs said:
Hand 1 nut card to flat turn, in general he is going to b/c a ton of his overpairs on a diamond river so we have 3 aces 2 10s and diamonds to complete our hand. fold river as he has JJ+ and we are crushed.
Does he ever show up w/KT?
May 30, 2012
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i dont think so when he triples, he is more likely to barrel turned fds, but we already severly block them,
July 3, 2010
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StrangeFame said:
I think it's player/table dependant.. 60bbs effective with position 2 lines come to mind
A- bump it up OTF. I like the smallish sizing you chose on the turn, make it similar (650-725) on the flop/check behind turn/snap off some of his river leads. We could also bet/calloff on the turn and feel okay about it even vs. the tightest of ranges..
B- call flop/call turn/evaluate river
You create problems for yourself raising the turn. It may not be a big factor in $11 f/o's but still,, you're kinda turning your hand face up here and destroying some of the implied value of the backdoor FD. JJ+ is more likely to find a fold or just check/call on diamond rivers.
I agree with this. Since it's a UTG open I lean toward Option B if we're readless on villain.
July 11, 2012
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^^ Option A crushes imo.. makes for an easy r/f on the flop as opposed to call pre/c flop/c turn/c riv… again, almost turns AT face up no?
October 6, 2010
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What to we get value from by rf on the flop? All we do is fold out stuff we beat and allow him to play perfectly.
July 11, 2012
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bennymacca said:
What to we get value from by rf on the flop? All we do is fold out stuff we beat and allow him to play perfectly.
okay.. so r/c then
July 3, 2010
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StrangeFame said:
^^ Option A crushes imo.. makes for an easy r/f on the flop as opposed to call pre/c flop/c turn/c riv… again, almost turns AT face up no?
Can see that, yeah. Could also disguise our flush draw very well by taking a passive line. Not sure we're ever really getting put on diamonds and we could make a bluffy bet size if it fills up on the river.
I don't like the idea of r/f tolding TPTK with backdoor outs, though …
Bleh. I see merits in each.
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