View Plans & Pricing

If you are signed in and are seeing this message, please be sure you have selected a user name in My Profile. The forum requires it.
A A A
Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 (0 votes) 
sp_TopicIcon
A10s on the button 3x UTG raise
Chuck Blaze
Small Stakes Grinder
Members
Forum Posts: 77
Member Since:
August 21, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
November 5, 2012 - 8:13 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Hand#3135C0EC58001157 – $2,000 GTD Deepstack T12643416 — CASH — $10 + $1 — 9 Max — Table 37 — 0/40/80 NL Hold'em — 2012/11/05 – 13:34:12
Dealer: Seat 5
Seat 1: MONTANAGOV (5,320 in chips)
Seat 2: ryguy1466 (6,437 in chips)
Seat 3: wasabiroll (7,368 in chips)
Seat 4: Jaakeli (4,120 in chips)
Seat 5: ChuckBlaze (10,106 in chips)
Seat 7: CBOULDERS74 (9,493 in chips)
Seat 8: ICCthroughyo (7,480 in chips)
Seat 9: hi riser (6,230 in chips)
Seat 10: bolyn (6,130 in chips)
CBOULDERS74: posts small blind 40
ICCthroughyo: posts big blind 80
Dealt to ChuckBlaze [Td,Ad]
hi riser: raises to 240
bolyn: folds
MONTANAGOV: folds
ryguy1466: folds
wasabiroll: folds
Jaakeli: folds
ChuckBlaze: calls 240
CBOULDERS74: folds
ICCthroughyo: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts,8h,5d]
hi riser: bets 300
ChuckBlaze: calls 300
*** TURN *** [3d]
hi riser: bets 600
ChuckBlaze: raises to 1,345
hi riser: calls 745
*** RIVER *** [3c]
hi riser: bets 1,945
ChuckBlaze: folds
hi riser: returns uncalled bet 1,945
***SHOW DOWN***
hi riser: mucks
hi riser wins 3,890

Looking for a line check. Not too much of a read on the player been at the table for about 10 hands. My thinking going in was to call a bet in position with the intent of calling one at least. I flop the 10 and continue with my plan. I opt for a check raise when I also turn the nut flush draw. How was my bet sizing? when he calls and then leads I give him credit for a JJ+ type hand. Just don't see many hands I'm ahead of. Hows my line overall? opinions of the fold etc

Julius187
Midstakes Master
Members
Forum Posts: 103
Member Since:
June 3, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
November 5, 2012 - 8:34 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

While I like seeing flops with hands that can hit huge and stack opponents, this is a perfect example of why calling an EP raise with a hand like AT just puts you in crappy spots. His line could easily be an overpair going for river value if he puts you on a hand like T8, or a bluff with a missed draw (though you hold nut diamonds) and unless he had something like J9s and plays it UTG, he's not going to have a lot of bluffs here. He could also have a hand like 88/55 as well. You also have 88/55 in your range here a decent bit and it doesn't seem like he cares (or can range people). Readless I'm going to fold this early on.

 

Maybe I'm just a nit, but I don't like raising the turn here. Don't want to stack off 6k if he shoves over our turn raise and we have way too much value to turn our hand into a bluff. Probably calling flop/turn and deciding river.. which I'm leading towards the fold based on what I said above.

Chuck Blaze
Small Stakes Grinder
Members
Forum Posts: 77
Member Since:
August 21, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
November 5, 2012 - 8:39 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

about 10 hands later this hand comes up. he's been a little aggro and got a nice double with KK where he 4bet strong and got it in on a low flop with KK.That hand I had 3bet the original raiser and folded after his 4bet with KK and a call pre.

 

Hand#3135C0EC58001371 – $2,000 GTD Deepstack T12643416 — CASH — $10 + $1 — 9 Max — Table 37 — 0/50/100 NL Hold'em — 2012/11/05 – 13:43:00
Dealer: Seat 2
Seat 1: MONTANAGOV (2,745 in chips)
Seat 2: TheReaIness (4,545 in chips)
Seat 3: wasabiroll (7,268 in chips)
Seat 4: Jaakeli (4,395 in chips)
Seat 5: ChuckBlaze (7,888 in chips)
Seat 7: CBOULDERS74 (7,916 in chips)
Seat 8: ICCthroughyo (7,360 in chips)
Seat 9: hi riser (16,532 in chips)
Seat 10: bolyn (8,580 in chips)
wasabiroll: posts small blind 50
Jaakeli: posts big blind 100
Dealt to ChuckBlaze [8d,8h]
ChuckBlaze: raises to 200
CBOULDERS74: folds
ICCthroughyo: folds
hi riser: raises to 600
bolyn: folds
MONTANAGOV: folds
TheReaIness: folds
wasabiroll: folds
Jaakeli: folds
ChuckBlaze: raises to 1,295
hi riser: calls 695
*** FLOP *** [3s,2h,7c]
ChuckBlaze: bets 1,370
hi riser: calls 1,370
*** TURN *** [Ts]
ChuckBlaze: is all in 5,223

??? thoughts

Avatar
StrangeFame
Toronto
Grinding Micros
Members
Forum Posts: 53
Member Since:
July 11, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
November 6, 2012 - 11:58 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

I think it's player/table dependant.. 60bbs effective with position 2 lines come to mind

A- bump it up OTF. I like the smallish sizing you chose on the turn, make it similar (650-725) on the flop/check behind turn/snap off some of his river leads. We could also bet/calloff on the turn and feel okay about it even vs. the tightest of ranges..

B- call flop/call turn/evaluate river

You create problems for yourself raising the turn. It may not be a big factor in $11 f/o's but still,, you're kinda turning your hand face up here and destroying some of the implied value of the backdoor FD. JJ+ is more likely to find a fold or just check/call on diamond rivers.

duggs
nz
Playing The Prelims
Members
Forum Posts: 591
Member Since:
May 30, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
November 7, 2012 - 1:17 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Hand 1 nut card to flat turn, in general he is going to b/c a ton of his overpairs on a diamond river so we have 3 aces 2 10s and diamonds to complete our hand. fold river as he has JJ+ and we are crushed. 

Avatar
StrangeFame
Toronto
Grinding Micros
Members
Forum Posts: 53
Member Since:
July 11, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
November 7, 2012 - 3:19 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

duggs said:

Hand 1 nut card to flat turn, in general he is going to b/c a ton of his overpairs on a diamond river so we have 3 aces 2 10s and diamonds to complete our hand. fold river as he has JJ+ and we are crushed. 

Does he ever show up w/KT?

duggs
nz
Playing The Prelims
Members
Forum Posts: 591
Member Since:
May 30, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
November 7, 2012 - 3:50 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

i dont think so when he triples, he is more likely to barrel turned fds, but we already severly block them,

FkCoolers
Cambridge, Ma (Central Square)
Member Moderator
Forum Posts: 1610
Member Since:
July 3, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
November 7, 2012 - 6:36 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

StrangeFame said:

I think it's player/table dependant.. 60bbs effective with position 2 lines come to mind

A- bump it up OTF. I like the smallish sizing you chose on the turn, make it similar (650-725) on the flop/check behind turn/snap off some of his river leads. We could also bet/calloff on the turn and feel okay about it even vs. the tightest of ranges..

B- call flop/call turn/evaluate river

You create problems for yourself raising the turn. It may not be a big factor in $11 f/o's but still,, you're kinda turning your hand face up here and destroying some of the implied value of the backdoor FD. JJ+ is more likely to find a fold or just check/call on diamond rivers.

I agree with this. Since it's a UTG open I lean toward Option B if we're readless on villain.

Avatar
StrangeFame
Toronto
Grinding Micros
Members
Forum Posts: 53
Member Since:
July 11, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
November 7, 2012 - 5:29 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

^^ Option A crushes imo.. makes for an easy r/f on the flop as opposed to call pre/c flop/c turn/c riv… again, almost turns AT face up no?

bennymacca
Adelaide Australia
Road Gambling with Doyle
Members
Forum Posts: 2616
Member Since:
October 6, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10
November 7, 2012 - 5:38 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

What to we get value from by rf on the flop? All we do is fold out stuff we beat and allow him to play perfectly.

Avatar
StrangeFame
Toronto
Grinding Micros
Members
Forum Posts: 53
Member Since:
July 11, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
11
November 7, 2012 - 5:42 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

bennymacca said:

What to we get value from by rf on the flop? All we do is fold out stuff we beat and allow him to play perfectly.

okay.. so r/c then

FkCoolers
Cambridge, Ma (Central Square)
Member Moderator
Forum Posts: 1610
Member Since:
July 3, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
12
November 8, 2012 - 6:33 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

StrangeFame said:

^^ Option A crushes imo.. makes for an easy r/f on the flop as opposed to call pre/c flop/c turn/c riv… again, almost turns AT face up no?

Can see that, yeah. Could also disguise our flush draw very well by taking a passive line. Not sure we're ever really getting put on diamonds and we could make a bluffy bet size if it fills up on the river. 

I don't like the idea of r/f tolding TPTK with backdoor outs, though … 

Bleh. I see merits in each. 

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 2780

Currently Online:
48 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

bennymacca: 2616

Foucault: 2067

folding_aces_pre_yo: 1133

praetor: 1033

theginger45: 924

P-aire 146: 832

Turbulence: 768

The Riceman: 731

duggs: 591

florianm1: 588

Newest Members:

Tillery999

sdmathis89

ne0x00

adrianvaida2525

Anteeater

Laggro

Forum Stats:

Groups: 4

Forums: 24

Topics: 12705

Posts: 75003

 

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 1063

Members: 12008

Moderators: 2

Admins: 5

Administrators: RonFezBuddy, Killingbird, Tournament Poker Edge Staff, ttwist, Carlos

Moderators: sitelock, sitelock_1