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February 5, 2015
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Ok so I came up with the “River Minbet” play that a certain Mr. Bigdog reckons he came up with. I expect he truly believes he did come up with it, but I expect he played some hands with me and saw me in action and adopted the river minbet play, and deluded himself into thinking he came up with it.
So this time around I am going to post my new play here and give it a trade-mark. It is a work of pure genius if I say so myself…and it is a play for use specifically in the big blind when short stacked with a speculative hand.
In a humble fashion I have named this new play the “Riceman Proponent Positor Speculative Iconoclasm”, or for popular usage after it has been established in the world of poker theory…the “Iconoclizer (TM)”.
I have myself recently utilised the Iconoclizer to devastating effect.
Sadly in reality it probably is a piece of crap, so please feel free to shoot holes in it. There is however a chance it IS a masterpiece…Here it is…
Hero is in the BB with 78s. Hero has 6 big blinds in his stack and is expecting to be knocked out forthwith. Hero posts his big blind, leaving him with 5 big blinds remaining. The pot has gone 4-ways: EP raiser min-raised and 3 villains called the min-raise (although the Iconoclizer works well in any multi-way pot).
Conventional poker theory dictates that hero should either shove his 5 big blinds if he wants to play the pot, or fold the hand and retain as much fold equity in his stack so he can shove an unopened subsequent pot. However hero (a member of TPE) thinks to himself…”hold on a minute, this genius called the Riceman came up with the Iconoclizer for just this spot…
Hero calls the minraise, leaving himself 4 big blinds, and the pot goes multiway.
Hero thus gets to play a multiway pot with a speculative hand without risking his tournament life, whilst hardly damaging his prospects in the tourney even if he loses… a 4 big blind stack is not much worse than a 5 big blind stack.
I thank you.
Please feel free to either destroy my piece of crap idea or fete me as the next Mike Caro.
Peace…The Riceman.
January 28, 2013
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1) This is an everyday occurence by some players and not some magic play that you've recently “trademarked”… You've just given it an idiotic name.
2) Pot odds dictate that you can probably call this raise with ATC.
3) If you shove/bet the flop after flatting you've just done a multiway Stop n Go.
4) 5bb stacks fold equity is minimal, if any. Therefore folding to retain such FE is useless.
5) I agree you hardly damage your prospects of your tournament life because a 5bb stack has hardly any prospect.
6) In most cases I would much rather shove and still have this pot go multiway giving me the opportunity to quadruple my 5bb stack into a more playable stack.
7) The chance that this is a masterpiece is directly related to the fold equity retained if you fold = minimal, if any.
8) This TPE member would never use “Riceman” or “Genius” in the same sentence.
9) This post didnt even deserve a reply and i have just wasted 5minutes of my time.
November 4, 2013
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Kalculater wins.
February 5, 2015
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Thanks for your time and reply. To be truthful I hope the tongue in cheek nature of the name I gave the play translated to print…it really was a joke. However it truly was a situation I found myself in and wondered what the best solution was. Im certain Im not a genius thats for sure.
November 4, 2013
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With the amount of trolls on the internet, nothing can be safely taken as tounge in cheek.
I play this spot as you have outlined, with just flatting. If I catch anything on the flop, chips go in the middle. You don't have any FE to worry about, so having 5bb is no more advantageous than having 4bb. Kalc has a point about just shoving pre and being able to secure a quadruple up more often, but I would think there is a counter case to say the very very slightly less variance involved with shoving when we connect post flop might have merit. It also might not. Personal preference is likely the deciding factor.
November 24, 2013
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Are you sure this was invented by the Bigdog and not Mr. “limp-folding with 5BBs” Hellmuth?
February 20, 2015
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If we're being serious, this is similar to the “post oak bluff” in Super System.
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December 6, 2012
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Actually you should be jamming any two in this spot in order to reopen the betting. It's very likely that someone, probably the original raiser, will isolate you and you'll get to “flip” against a single opponent with a hefty overlay. No way you find a better spot than that either by calling or by folding and leaving yourself 4BB, especially when you're going to have to post the SB next hand.
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