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March 29, 2016
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$27 Saturday Eliminator on Pokerstars
PokerStars – 600/1200 Ante 120 NL – Holdem – 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
MP+2: 48.38 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 20.57 BB (VPIP: 28.67, PFR: 19.15, 3Bet Preflop: 8.62, Hands: 144)
BTN: 47.03 BB (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 31.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
SB: 22.32 BB (VPIP: 16.28, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 43)
Hero (BB): 46.58 BB
UTG: 3.99 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 17.78, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 48)
UTG+1: 70.59 BB (VPIP: 27.22, PFR: 20.12, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 170)
MP: 32.47 BB (VPIP: 30.56, PFR: 18.06, 3Bet Preflop: 13.79, Hands: 72)
MP+1: 25.27 BB (VPIP: 26.01, PFR: 15.12, 3Bet Preflop: 4.03, Hands: 349)
9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has A
7
fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB
Flop: (5.4 BB, 2 players) 4
2 4
Hero checks, MP+2 bets 1.51 BB, Hero calls 1.51 BB
Turn: (8.42 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, MP+2 bets 3.28 BB, Hero calls 3.28 BB
River: (14.99 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, MP+2 bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB
MP+2 shows 7 T (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 32%, Flop 17%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows A 7 (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 68%, Flop 83%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 32.99 BB
This is a Saturday tournament with a lot of recreational players. I considered my opponent a recreational player as well.
MP2+2 opens. I’d give him a range of 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q3s+,J8s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,76s,A2o+,K2o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+ .
Pre & flop pretty standard on both sides IMO. I’d expect V to cbet flop with ~95% of his range.
Turn is a completely blank card. I would expect V to check back most Ax combos , cbet most of his bluffs, obviously any value hands (2x,8x, any pair).
Now the turn is normally the street I would fold my Ax hands on BB if unimproved. However on such dry board, with as blank turn card as it gets, I felt I might have the best hand. Facing ~40% cbet, I decided to call.
On the river,we get another as-blank-as-it-gets card. V bets huge. At this point, he’s repping either 4x hand or a strong overpair.
However V should be at least worried about me having some sort of 4x therefore he should not bet that big. So that did smell to me like a pure bluff and I decided to call.
Now the questions :
1. Should I fold the turn?
2. I assume the river call here is correct due to bet sizing. Should I have folded the river, had the Villain bet less (like 40%) ?
For some of you it might be an obvious, easy hand, where there was nothing else to do. But like I said, with most Ax on BB I would fold the turn (on double-barrel) when unimproved. I tried here some new play for me, which worked, and I wanted to confirm whether it was the right play or sort of hero calling station.
Thanks in advance
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December 6, 2012
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I think this is reasonable to good, and your logic is mostly sound. It’s good that you are thinking not just about the absolute strength of your hand (Ace-high) but also about where it sits relative to your range (in spots where it’s hard to have a pair, you should be more stubborn about calling your best unpaired hands).
You should recognize that your logic on the river is exploitive. That’s not necessarily bad – in fact it’s probably good – but you say “V should be at least worried about me having some sort of 4x therefore he should not bet that big”. I don’t think that’s accurate. After all, you called with Ace-high (and have incentive to do so), so I don’t think it’s plausible that he should use a large sizing with, say, big pairs or other pretty strong hands, despite the fact that he isn’t guaranteed to be good. That said, you may well be right that he wouldn’t actually do that, which makes your call even better.
But any time you find yourself thinking “I’d fold to a smaller bet but I’m going to call this”, you are in pretty heavily exploitive territory, and you should be aware of the assumptions you’re making and be confident in them.
March 29, 2016
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Thanks Andrew for your response.
I would be much more hesitant to call the turn and river against a good reg, but in this case I did not worry too much about getting exploited.
May 11, 2018
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“MP2+2 opens. I’d give him a range of 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q3s+,J8s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,76s,A2o+,K2o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+ . “
I think this opening range is too wide for HJ when you have no reads on them as they are probably not raising K2o very often. Even when suited probably not much below K9 or K8. My range here (in HJ) is more like 22+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 76s+, 65s, 54s, ATo+, KJo+, QJo+ and with 1 hand on villain I usually assign a similar range to what I would use. This benefits us on a board like this because we are cutting out a bunch of hands that would have connected if played.
February 8, 2017
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I don’t love calling 3 barrels with A high, but it seems like a good spot to do it if you’re ever going to. That being said, I want to challenge some of your assumptions because I think they could get you into trouble in the future.
kardi31 said
This is a Saturday tournament with a lot of recreational players. I considered my opponent a recreational player as well.
What reason do you have for considering villain a recreational player? You have 0 history with him (at least based on stats you posted). I agree that the Saturday Eliminator is a weaker field than standard $27 Stars games, but it’s not an absolute donk fest. Mileage may vary, but I find Saturday fields to be much tougher than either Friday or Sunday, although still weaker than the rest of the week.
kardi31 said
MP2+2 opens. I’d give him a range of 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q3s+,J8s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,76s,A2o+,K2o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+ .
As mentioned by GameTheoryOptional (great name btw), this range seems way too wide. You’ve got villain opening 47.5% of hands. It also seems to have too many offsuit hands, and not nearly enough suited connectors.
If you want to give villain a wide HJ range, I think 36.35%: 22+,A2s+,K5s+,Q7s+,J8s+,T7s+,97s+,86s+,76s,65s,54s,A5o+,K8o+,Q9o+,J9o+T9o,98o is much more reasonable.
If you think villain is really opening ~47.5%, then I expect it looks more like: 22,Ax,K2s,Q5s,J7s,T7s,96s,86s,75s,64s,54s,43s,K6,Q8,J8,T8,98,87
kardi31 said
Turn is a completely blank card. I would expect V to check back most Ax combos , cbet most of his bluffs, obviously any value hands (2x,8x, any pair).
Given the range you have villain opening, turn is not very blank at all. After removing 8, villain has 66 combos of 8x in the range you assigned him.
kardi31 said
On the river,we get another as-blank-as-it-gets card. V bets huge. At this point, he’s repping either 4x hand or a strong overpair.
I don’t think the 3 is nearly as blank as it might seem. Given that there are no flush draws, villain’s most reasonable bluffing hands will be straight draws. Out of 76,65,A5 and A3, half of them just got there in a big way. You do have a blocker to A5, but you also block 76 and A3.
I don’t consider 9bb into 15bb huge. That’s 60% of the pot. On this type of board it is definitely a polarizing size, but hardly unreasonable for a hand like T8s or 99.
Ultimately, I think being able to occasionally call down with Ace high is important, but it is never anything but a hero call. I tend to look for spots where villain’s line has capped them in some way. Although you do have many more 4s than villain in your range, they can profitably value bet any pair if you often call with just an Ace, and calling with a 7 kicker might lead to some ‘accidental value bets’ when villain barrels a hand like AT.
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