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April 29, 2013
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Money bubble in small buy-in MTT on Carbon:
NL – Holdem – 8 players
SB (SB): 9.73 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
BB (BB): 48.24 BB (VPIP: 17.91, PFR: 10.63, 3Bet Preflop: 8.54, Hands: 273)
UTG (UTG): 8.64 BB (VPIP: 28.32, PFR: 5.49, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 115)
UTG+1 (UTG+1): 6.71 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 7.55, Hands: 150)
MP (MP): 10.47 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (MP+1): 8.57 BB
CO (CO): 47.51 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 25.86, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 65)
BTN (BTN): 14.48 BB (VPIP: 7.52, PFR: 3.61, 3Bet Preflop: 3.08, Hands: 274)
8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Dealt to Hero: 3
3
fold, fold, fold, Hero ???
I'm not sure what to do in spots like this. Sure, it's a pair, but super weak. I've got time before the next level, so I'll be working with 9bb's for a few hands at least. Behind me left to act are a couple of huge 48bb stacks that can easily call with a large part of their range.
How small does your stack have to be to open shove with small pp's (22-66), or medium pp's (77-TT)?
October 25, 2013
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As a micro stakes player im shoving here all day as with <10 bb left as im looking to win a tournie not min cash however i am interested to see if this is a profitable play or we should be waiting for a later position shove/ better hand?
March 8, 2013
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Based on Jennifear's Push/Fold Charts, you should be shoving 22+,Ax+,K6s+,KTo+,Q9s+,QJo,J8s+,JTo,T8s+,98s,87s. Now on the bubble as a small stack at your table you can make some SMALL adjustments. Personally I would probably fold 87s and T8s but shove the rest. I don't think 33 is a particularly close decision.
As far as your general question re: when to shove 22-66 and when to shove 77-TT, I would recommend finding and printing a Push/Fold chart, but with antes in the hijack, you can shove all pocket pairs up to 20+BB if you are playing push/fold. In Button-6 (UTG in a 9 handed game), you can shove 22 up to 11BB, 55 up to 14BB, 99 up to 17BB, and TT up to 20+BB.
These are unexploitable strategies as long as you are shoving the entire range recommended on the shove chart. If you want to have a min-raising raise also, you will have to adjust your shoving range based on the fact that you have probably weakened the range by removing some of the strongest hands.
Personally I play strictly shove/fold with 15BB or less (antes) with the following exceptions: I will sometimes complete the SB if 1 or more players has limped to me; I will sometimes call a small (2-2.4x) raise from the big blind.
April 29, 2013
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Thanks, Mark. I checked out Jennifear's charts, and these should be really helpful.
September 29, 2012
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Assuming there are antes, I would be shoving 22+, Ax, K5s, K9, Q8s, QT, J7s, JT, T7s, 97s, 87s, and 76s. This is my general list, if the table is calling off too tight, you can add some more hands to the bottom of this list. If they are calling off too loose, you should cut some of the worst hands off this list.
Either way, 33 is an easy shove.
January 15, 2013
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If your questioning this spot, it makes me wonder if there are not other shove spots that you failed to take along the way down to 8 bbs. Perhaps you need to make some adjustments in your game before you get to this point, unless of course you ended up crippled after losing a big hand.
April 29, 2013
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I took a hit with 22bb's when I flopped TP and opp had bottom 2 pair. Got it in on the flop.
But, in general I do feel that I'm a bit gun shy and I let myself often get blinded down to 10-12bb's before I loosen up my open shoving requirements. I'm going to experiment more with shove/fold mode sooner at 15-17bb's.
November 18, 2013
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markconkle said:
Based on Jennifear's Push/Fold Charts, you should be shoving 22+,Ax+,K6s+,KTo+,Q9s+,QJo,J8s+,JTo,T8s+,98s,87s. Now on the bubble as a small stack at your table you can make some SMALL adjustments. Personally I would probably fold 87s and T8s but shove the rest. I don't think 33 is a particularly close decision.
As far as your general question re: when to shove 22-66 and when to shove 77-TT, I would recommend finding and printing a Push/Fold chart, but with antes in the hijack, you can shove all pocket pairs up to 20+BB if you are playing push/fold. In Button-6 (UTG in a 9 handed game), you can shove 22 up to 11BB, 55 up to 14BB, 99 up to 17BB, and TT up to 20+BB.
These are unexploitable strategies as long as you are shoving the entire range recommended on the shove chart. If you want to have a min-raising raise also, you will have to adjust your shoving range based on the fact that you have probably weakened the range by removing some of the strongest hands.
Personally I play strictly shove/fold with 15BB or less (antes) with the following exceptions: I will sometimes complete the SB if 1 or more players has limped to me; I will sometimes call a small (2-2.4x) raise from the big blind.
Anyone have a link for Jennifears charts?? Are they still relevant?? Anyone have much experience using them?
September 29, 2012
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March 8, 2013
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They are very much still relevant, as they are based on math. I have them printed out next to my computer and use them all the time. The only thing to remember is that they are for a push/fold strategy only. If you are in a spot where you want to minraise sometimes and shove other times, you have to use your own judgment or do your own math, but the charts are good GTO-approximations of push/fold. Besides very minor adjustments, I trust them 100% for all 15BB and lower decisions if I am opening.
April 29, 2013
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icantmtt said:
Anyone have a link for Jennifears charts?? Are they still relevant?? Anyone have much experience using them?
I've started testing these in SNG's and HU Hyper Turbo SNG's, and so far I think they're beneficial. One of the benefits I've found is that by sticking to this it forces me to open shove more, thereby increasing the amount of blinds I've been stealing. When you see that it's mathematically +EV to shove certain hands that you normally wouldn't (ex J8s at 9bb's in the CO), it gives you the confidence to play more aggressive.
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