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November 3, 2012
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Villain's stats 21/19, 3bet% from bb 25%, vs Steal in BB call 50% 3bet 50%
Between a push and raise, I elected to go for a raise, ICM says push, but I was sort of trapping, I know he's very agressive and would think my raise as opposed to earlier when I pushed a couple of times with similar stacks, is to trying to put pressure on him given the 2 shorties at the table and the fact that we're on the bubble, for his range, I give him any A, 55+ and any broadway.
Now comes the real question, am I taking the high variance approach with my play? or is my thought “my hand is ahead of his 3bet jamming range so I'll open on the button to induce action instead of pushing and taking blinds and antes” the wrong one given the stack sizes and the bubble factor.
Poker Stars $2.28+$0.22 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t600/t1200 Blinds + t125 – 7 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
CO: BB = 2.0, t2460
Hero (BTN): BB = 22.8, t27324
SB: BB = 0.7, t806
BB: BB = 21.4, t25669
UTG: BB = 12.5, t15041
UTG+1: BB = 16.1, t19351
MP: BB = 21.3, t25547
Pre Flop: (t2675) Hero is BTN with 9
9
4 folds, Hero raises to t3000, 1 fold, BB raises to t25544 all in
November 3, 2012
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well raise/calling is going to be higher variance by nature than open shoving but it's also going to be way more profitable based on your reads.
i think if you're playing for 1st raise/calling is the play but if the money bubble is that important to you then open shoving is still going to be profitable.
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August 21, 2012
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I like your line and thought process here. You raised with a plan and it worked out. It’s definitely higher variance as I do think he may fold certain hands if you just shoved pre that he is now shovin with.
One thing I think you failed to consider is what is he just flats. How are you planning on proceeding post flop? Lots of flops could scare you. While you mAy decide to still raise to induce I definitly think it’s essential to factor that scenerio in
So thoughts on that people I’m not sure what I’d do
June 16, 2010
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If you adjust for the ante you have about 15 bb and I'm jamming in this spot to prevent the villian from making this play and putting the pressure back onto us.
He can only call if he wakes up with a monster.
These turbo games are all about shoving and calling shoves based on ICM and hand ranges. If your plan is to get it in (r/c) then just jam pre and apply max pressure.
FWIW If you plan to r/f just min-raise.
August 5, 2012
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i dont open shove here, i take the same line and hope he shoves!
its a 2.50 180 man, a min cash is like $6 or something… i call here all day every day!
you have to be playing ftw in these or there just not profitable enough… if you lose its no big deal, its $2.50!
wouldnt you rather risk your 2.50 on 99 than folding and only just making a min cash?
if you win this hand, chances are your in the top 3 in chips, which gives you a big chance of winning the tourney!
call, call, call!!
July 11, 2012
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swet1 said:
If you adjust for the ante you have about 15 bb and I'm jamming in this spot to prevent the villian from making this play and putting the pressure back onto us.
He can only call if he wakes up with a monster.
These turbo games are all about shoving and calling shoves based on ICM and hand ranges. If your plan is to get it in (r/c) then just jam pre and apply max pressure.
FWIW If you plan to r/f just min-raise.
Not a fan of this stat. It doesn't change the situation in question.
It's fair to assume he's only calling our shoves with a tight range. Shoving to prevent villain from putting it in with a wider range is counter productive. Villain is never folding 99+ when we jam. Only folding out hands that we want in his range.
Pressure is overrated imo. I'm all for aggression, but pasing up profitable spots for the sake of max pressure is sub optimal. We have 23bbs, position, great hand, and a read/info on the agro villain in the blinds.
Anything other than std open is bad imo. We should be both r/c'ing and r/f'ing here w/our std sizing.
June 16, 2010
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The point of including the stat was just to highlight the fact that antes should enter the equation. I shove my entire range on the bubble at that stack size in these turbo 180’s or 45’s, especially when playing multiple tables.
If the villain folds worse it’s not terrible…we increase our stack by ~10%, likely the chip leader and we’re in a good spot to TID.
? to OP: What is the sample size on the villain’s stats?
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