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99 in BB facing SB 3bet
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October 2, 2017 - 2:05 pm
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$215 WCOOP: BUT and SB both playing a relatively LAG style over 140 and 250 hands respectively, both players have blocked stats. I’ve seen BUT make some spewy plays and think he is probably a losing reg, while I strongly suspect that SB is a good winning player. SB seems slightly less aggressive/less sticky post-flop than average LAG reg, but that may be sample bias.

Preflop decision is most interesting to me, but Flop is worth discussing so I’ll include it in ‘spoiler.’ 

PokerStars – 200/400 Ante 50 NL – Holdem – 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Blom21 (UTG+1): 99.25 BB
parperinio (MP): 177.92 BB
cre0x (MP+1): 80.08 BB
vova vovkin (MP+2): 95.9 BB
anti-durrr (CO): 127.4 BB
NastyMinder (BTN): 105.04 BB
Graftekkel (SB): 138.77 BB
EatMyFish (BB): 100.29 BB
Anjeyyy (UTG): 107.91 BB

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, Graftekkel posts SB 0.5 BB, EatMyFish posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.62 BB) EatMyFish has 9spade 9heart

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, NastyMinder raises to 2.15 BB, Graftekkel raises to 7.5 BB, EatMyFish ?

EatMyFish Raises to 19.3 BB, fold, Graftekkel calls 11.8 BB

Flop: (41.87 BB, 2 players) 4diamond 9diamond Kheart

Graftekkel checks, EatMyFish ?

Effective SPR is just under 2

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Hey DDD!

Well, it is hard for me to give SB a 3betting range, I play only small stakes, and I fold on situacions like this one.

The thing for me, here, as you said about SB ” I strongly suspect that SB is a good winning player”, I actually don´t know what SB is capable of, if he is 3betting a capped range, merged or polarized one, or even a garbage hand, probably not a capped range, because you think he is a good player.

If I have made a correct calculation, SB has to call 4720 into a 12630 pot, getting 2.68:1, it is not that good, but not that bad either to call with most of his 3betting range, removing the junk part of his range. And I think worth check to see what your image to them are, what do they know about you? Have you being 3betting or 4betting before?

OTF I would check behind and try to get some value OTT and river, I guess V will proceed carefully with a hand such KQ or even AK that has no diamond in it… V will lead all the draws on turn imo, and with a SPR of ~2 is where i would try to GII, because there is some bluffs too, and i dont want to bet OTF and make V fold hands that he would bet OTT or OTR… I also don´t want to call and expect V to barrel a second time with bluffs, because of the pre flop action, once he is called I think he should be shutting it down.

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Great spot to ask about. Against a nitty SB fold or call are both OK, but against a good player I think a smallish 4b is in order, your sizing is good. It’s OK to have a mergey range here because although you’ll sometimes fold the best hand to a 5b from AK, you’ll also sometimes get peeled by hands where having 99 is a lot better than having A4s or something (not that A4s would be a bad hand to do this with, just that you don’t want to be strictly nuts/air when you do it).

Flop is a perfect spot for a small (~25% pot) c-bet with your range. With such a low SPR, even nut hands like this one don’t need to make big bets to get stacks in by river, but you do want to bet something just to deny free cards to gutshots and backdoor flush draws. Likewise hands like QQ can get some value and protection with this sizing, A4s is happy to get some cheap fold equity, etc.

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Foucault said
Great spot to ask about. Against a nitty SB fold or call are both OK, but against a good player I think a smallish 4b is in order, your sizing is good. It’s OK to have a mergey range here because although you’ll sometimes fold the best hand to a 5b from AK, you’ll also sometimes get peeled by hands where having 99 is a lot better than having A4s or something (not that A4s would be a bad hand to do this with, just that you don’t want to be strictly nuts/air when you do it).

Flop is a perfect spot for a small (~25% pot) c-bet with your range. With such a low SPR, even nut hands like this one don’t need to make big bets to get stacks in by river, but you do want to bet something just to deny free cards to gutshots and backdoor flush draws. Likewise hands like QQ can get some value and protection with this sizing, A4s is happy to get some cheap fold equity, etc.  

Agree with all this. I think this is a really interesting spot because of villain’s likely merged SB 3-bet range – there’s some advantage to being poled here with our 4-bets if we can fold out a bunch of good equity hands, but also an increase likelihood of being peeled preflop instead of 5-bet.

If we do decide to have some cold-calling hands here, I think we have to size bigger with our 4-bets as our range gets more polarized. It seems like a choice between a strategy of merging our 4-bet range to include hands like 99, removing our flatting range and 4-betting to a sizing of around 19bb as we did, or adding some more cold-calls, polarizing our 4-betting range and 4-betting to more like 23-25bb. I think both strategies are valid, and the former might be slightly higher since it avoids the weird multiway 3-bet pot scenario where you’re stuck in the middle.

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October 19, 2017 - 12:42 pm
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Thanks guys, all three answers provide a lot of food for thought. I ended up checking flop (which I agree was a mistake), but got lucky with the best possible result as a K on the turn guaranteed stacks were going in against KJs.

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