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99 flop play, 3 way pot tough spot $5 MTT
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July 8, 2018 - 6:17 pm
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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Prima)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold’em – Thursday, July 05, 04:34:35 ET 2018
Table 32574844 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 2: Player2 ( 10064 ) 
Seat 3: Hero ( 9281 ) 
Seat 4: Player4 ( 11681 ) 
Seat 5: Player5 ( 10168 ) 
Seat 6: Player6 ( 8123 ) 
Hero posts ante of [12].
Player4 posts ante of [12].
Player5 posts ante of [12].
Player6 posts ante of [12].
Player2 posts ante of [12].
Hero posts small blind [60].
Player4 posts big blind [120].
Dealt to Hero [ 9c 9h ]
Player5 folds
Player6 calls [120]
Player2 raises [600]
Hero calls [540]
Player4 folds
Player6 calls [480]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 7d, 4d ] t1980
Hero checks
Player6 checks
Player2 bets [1980]
Hero?

CO is 74/30 over 20 hands or so
Btn is 33/22 over 20 hands or so

Due to the size here this felt very hard to play. Whats the best flop play here do we think?

 
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Feels weird to 3bet and play oop here pre flop, against 5x raise. I guess I am set mining here if V is aggro pos flop. Folding 3way oop.

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Reasons to fold…

He bet in to two people,  we are not going to close the betting on the flop due to the check from the first player, our hand will not improve unless we hit a 9, he bet pot, it is more than 20% of our stack, I would never call a turn bet if I called the flop unless we hit a 9, almost any card will make our situation worse (A,K,J,T,8,7,6,5,4,3 and any diamond and even any spade).

Reasons to call…

Maybe he is bluffing and the original check that bet-called pre flop has nothing.

Reason to raise…

To pick up the pot, but that only happens if they have a worse hand and generally speaking that is not a great plan. Not many better hands would be folding. Maybe you could get JJ, or TT to fold, but that is pretty specific. Could you get a worse hand to call your raise and therefore do it for value? I doubt it.

Here is the thing, you say due to the size you found it very hard to play.  I do not think this is right to be honest, I think what you meant was that due to the size you found it very hard to win.  There is a big difference, and in this situation I think his sizing makes it very easy to play, and in this case, for me at least, I thank him for making it so easy for me to fold.  Maybe if he had bet less we could have found it a lot harder to fold.  I can’t find a logical reason at all to raise, I am not desperate for chips and looking to make pure gambling moves for a long while with my stack and I have no confidence that calling would be profitable in these situations.  Fold.

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kondor said
Here is the thing, you say due to the size you found it very hard to play.  I do not think this is right to be honest, I think what you meant was that due to the size you found it very hard to win.  There is a big difference, and in this situation I think his sizing makes it very easy to play…

Well said, and this is an extremely important distinction to make. It takes a lot of work to develop the skill (and especially the discipline) to recognize when our desire to win the pot is hurting our decision making process.

I don’t mind the flat preflop, but 3betting is worth consideration. You’ll be forced to fold if villain shoves, but 99 is not a hand that flops many great situations multi-way and out of position, so collecting your fold equity and isolating villain may be worth the odd time we get 4bet by AK or similar.

As played we have a very clear flop decision. I would always fold, even against much smaller bets (maybe peel vs 1/4 pot but even that’s close). Villain’s bet range should be stronger than it would be in a heads up pot, the player left to act is uncapped, we aren’t closing the action, and we’re guaranteed to play the rest of the hand out of position. Most if not all of villain’s bluffs will have overcards to our pair and/or a flush draw, and there’s about a 5% chance for the turn to bring a card which allows us to call another bet. The large bet sizing is very polarizing but that is not the same thing as bluff-heavy, villain can still have all the good hands.

Torching 16.5bb with no plan for future streets other than “hope to spike a set or get a free showdown” is unlikely to be profitable. I would much rather continue with A4s or 87s (although against this sizing I’m rarely doing that) because they have much better equity against villain’s strong hands.

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