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June 3, 2012
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Table is super tough with Dan Colman, James Obst, Antoine Saout, Matt Moss and others I don’t know. About 85 players left, pay bumps are coming every 9 people now and they’re fairly sizable.
Villain in this hand is a middle aged Asian guy completely decked out with “poker income” patches and clothes. He has been opening a decent bit, and 4bet a few times. I have a pretty solid image and have been playing most pots these last couple of leves by 3betting a balanced range of value hands and bluffs.
Blinds 30k/60k/10k ante, I have about 4.4 million to start, he covers with just under 6 million.
Villain in middle position raises to 130k, Hero in CO w/9
8 raises to 360k, folds back to villain who tanks for about a minute and raises to 730k. Hero calls.
Flop (1.64m) K Q
6
Villain bets 860k, Hero calls (860k : 2.5m)
Turn (3.36m) 7
Villain checks, Hero checks
River 2
Villain bets 1.365m, Hero folds
With Dan Colman on my direct left with ~8 million in chips, I think 3betting is the way to go pre, this is a good hand to balance with for board coverage and it doesn’t allow Dan to come in with position or squeeze. How do we feel about peeling the 4bet? With the price I’m getting in a cash game and the effective stacks I think it’s a slam dunk call, but we can’t just pull out more chips with less than 100 players in the main event. Do ICM issues make this not as profitable? Once we get to the turn, we have 2.8m behind and a pot of 3.36m, what do you guys think about checking vs jamming? I felt in the moment villain’s range was very strong, but it’d be a tough call to make with AK or AA in that spot. If we get paid off making a hand here we would be top 3 in chips with about 9 million.
All thought and criticisms welcome 🙂
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December 6, 2012
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Looks good to me. I agree you have a lot of tough decisions, and I think you’ve identified them well and are thinking about them in the right way. My first thought was that you might want to flat pre rather than force a lot of big pots, but you make a good point about not inviting DC in behind you. I would certainly peel the 4b given such appealing odds and the fact that V apparently doesn’t need to be absolutely nutted to make it.
I like the flop call and turn check. I wouldn’t expect V to lay down AA or AK on this board, even if he isn’t happy about calling, and there really isn’t much you can rep. If the turn or river came a 9, I think think there’s a stronger case for bluffing to rep JT, but I think it shows good discipline to check this card. Among other things, the 5 and probably the T give you a well-concealed monster which should mean high implied odds.
So yeah, just an unlucky spot that you made the best of. I think the only really close decision is whether to 3-bet pre-flop, but I think you make a good case for that as well.
Keep up the good work!
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August 25, 2012
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Just chiming in to say I also really like this hand. Nothing I’d really do differently, good job.
I was thinking about whether there might be cause to bet something weird like 700k on the turn, but I’m guessing deep in the Main Event isn’t the time to start taking creative lines, so I think checking back is better. I mean if we bet 700k and villain jams, we more or less hate ourselves forever. I’d rather check back and then plan to bet something like 1.1M on a pretty good number of river cards if checked to.
June 2, 2013
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Sorry, but I dont get why is the check behind OTT good, is it because hero have 2.8m for ~46bb?
Shove OTT don´t represent for hero AA, KK, QQ, AK, KQ? With an OESD+FD there is not much of a case to shove turn?
What hero would do if V have checked? bet/fold? Or that check OTT is hero hoping to hit and win, otherwise just give up?
I really don´t get why, sorry.
January 20, 2014
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Chris! Nice run man. I’m a friend of Carlos and it was great railing you on Twitter as a sweat after Dylan busted.
I was thinking the same as Andrew, calling here with the 98s but you give a good point about having DC behind and I like the 3bet a lot now. Yeah, call the 4bet with those odds.
On the flop I don’t think there is anything to do but call. The turn, at first I thought this would be a great spot to shove. But when you are pretty sure the villain is strong here, I like a check behind. Against a range of AA-QQ, AK, and AQ, you are only good by the river about 1/3 of the time. Check and take a free card.
Almo – the reason for the check behind on the turn is hero was almost certain villain would call. Yes, we do have OESD+FD, but we are still only going to win 1/3 of the time if villain has a pair above nines. He is probably folding TT, JJ, AQ. But is he really 4betting those hands? I think villain is more likely nutted here, he is not likely folding to a shove on the turn, and we are better off trying to hit our hand and see if we can get paid off.
June 2, 2013
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SIGABA said
Almo – the reason for the check behind on the turn is hero was almost certain villain would call. Yes, we do have OESD+FD, but we are still only going to win 1/3 of the time if villain has a pair above nines. He is probably folding TT, JJ, AQ. But is he really 4betting those hands? I think villain is more likely nutted here, he is not likely folding to a shove on the turn, and we are better off trying to hit our hand and see if we can get paid off.
But if V is soo strong, doesn´t makes more sense for him to bet turn? If I had AA KK QQ KQ in V´s shoes, I would bet this turn oop, because is a 4bet pot, hero is probably do not have a weak hold, there is some str8 and flush draws on the board, I don´t think V would give a free card soo often.
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December 6, 2012
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Almo,
I agree that the turn check seems a bit unlikely for AA/AK/KK/QQ. However, the Villain has to have something. What are you trying to get him off of if you shove the turn?
June 2, 2013
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Foucault said
Almo,I agree that the turn check seems a bit unlikely for AA/AK/KK/QQ. However, the Villain has to have something. What are you trying to get him off of if you shove the turn?
Well, assuming V would 3bet a range of 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+, KJo+, QJo, hero can make him fold Qx and this overs with gutshot, like AT or AJ, 88-JJ would fold too.
I opened this 4bet range from V, because of the Heros read:
Julius187 said
… He has been opening a decent bit, and 4bet a few times. I have a pretty solid image and have been playing most pots these last couple of leves by 3betting a balanced range of value hands and bluffs.
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December 6, 2012
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You’ve got him 4-betting more than 11% of the deck! I’d be quite surprised if some of those hands, such as the medium pairs, were really in his 4-bet range. Even if that is his pre-flop range, does he play all/most of those hands this way on the flop and turn?
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