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8r Double barrel?
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January 4, 2011 - 12:12 pm
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BB is 7/4 over 70 hands.

Turn gives us a gutter but obv no showdown value..so double barrel or check and hope to hit our gutter?

 

Poker Stars $8.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t25 – 9 players

TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

tytkto (BB): BB = 58.4, t17525

mateo$55 (UTG): BB = 40.7, t12207

seneal (UTG+1): BB = 52.5, t15754

TOTORITA7872 (UTG+2): BB = 22.6, t6780

yankcl1 (MP1): BB = 11.5, t3445

baggio76 (MP2): BB = 20.6, t6175

bankis77 (CO): BB = 24.5, t7360

Hero (BTN): BB = 51.5, t15445

Gerard88bcn (SB): BB = 42.8, t12840

Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is BTN with 6 of diamonds 4 of diamonds

6 folds, Hero raises to t720, 1 fold, tytkto calls t420

Flop: (t1815) Q of diamonds 2 of clubs 2 of hearts (2 players)

tytkto checks, Hero bets t907, tytkto calls t907

Turn: (t3629) 5 of clubs (2 players)

tytkto checks, Hero

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January 4, 2011 - 12:55 pm
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I think you can double barrel here. You have picked up some equity on the turn as well as this is a good place where you can effectively represent a 2 or a big Q here with a decent show of strength. A lot of times you are going to get floated here because the BB isn't going to believe that you had much of anything and that your flop bet was purely a c-bet taking a stab so I think that the double barrel here is an effective bluff. What I would caution here though is pay careful attention to what he does, as if you get raised or played back at you have to fold. I don't think that he can really flat the 2 barrel here, that he will have to raise/fold to the pressure (I also don't think that a Q holds up well to the 2 barrel here either unless maybe AQ). I would go ahead and fire again and see what happens.

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The reply is very appriciated thanks. I come from a SNG background so not much double barreling involved aside from small pots.

 

I did double barrell here and my thought process is basically what you laid out.

 

So he calls again. Are we just done with the hand? The A falling and him checking for the 3rd time , made it so tempting to just put in another barell here but maybe it is spew?

 

I'm just baffeled at what he has here after checking 3 times.

 

Poker Stars $8.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t25 – 9 players

TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

tytkto (BB): BB = 58.4, t17525

mateo$55 (UTG): BB = 40.7, t12207

seneal (UTG+1): BB = 52.5, t15754

TOTORITA7872 (UTG+2): BB = 22.6, t6780

yankcl1 (MP1): BB = 11.5, t3445

baggio76 (MP2): BB = 20.6, t6175

bankis77 (CO): BB = 24.5, t7360

Hero (BTN): BB = 51.5, t15445

Gerard88bcn (SB): BB = 42.8, t12840

Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is BTN with 6 of diamonds 4 of diamonds

6 folds, Hero raises to t720, 1 fold, tytkto calls t420

Flop: (t1815) Q of diamonds 2 of clubs 2 of hearts (2 players)

tytkto checks, Hero bets t907, tytkto calls t907

Turn: (t3629) 5 of clubs (2 players)

tytkto checks, Hero bets t2177, tytkto calls t2177

River: (t7983) A of spades (2 players)

tytkto checks, Hero

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Hmmm… the Ace is a really interesting card, because that should solidly hit our range and should look like a 2 pair hand to him now (AQ being something solidly in our represented range). The thing that is concerning at first glance here because he is a 7/4 so the Ace should collide very strongly with his perceived range, but I don't believe it does with his flatting range from the BB. My guess is that if you put in the 3rd barrel you should get him to fold. As far as what I think he has here, could be 77-JJ,  AQs (maybe), AJ. I don't think this is AA, KK or AK as I believe he would 3bet you with that and confidently. This could be a marginal Ace for him (AQ, AJ) or more likely it could be a smaller pocket pair that doesn't believe you from the button. I think the A is a very favorable card for you to push him off whatever he has and take the pot down. 

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you pick up a gutter on the turn, so i like firing a second barrel with the intention of putting a third one in on the river on any club,A,K or obv a 3.  I think he has mostly KQs, AQ and 77-TT.  I don't see him calling river with the majority of the combos in his range, especially with him being sucha nit, so i think putting in the third barrel is reasonable here against this opponent.  We are not repping much when we shove river, AA, AQ, QQ , A2s, 55 and random two barrel aces that got there, so a better player may call with a queen.

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January 4, 2011 - 2:42 pm
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Thanks. I did fire the river . Not really convinced it's the right play though (than again , had it worked i prob shrug and think im a genius , so maybe just results oriented thinking). The problem i have is assuming he c/calls turn w/ the mid pairs. If he does than river bet is prob pretty profitable i would guess although i am far from a math guy.

 

As far as river sizing , you mention a shove . We have 11k and the pot is 8k. I did not shove , i made a slightly over 1/2 pot , should i have just jammed? I can't really put him on a hand that will call a 2/3 pot bet but fold to a shove , but obv could be wrong. If i should have shoved i think maybe i should of planned bet sizing better on prior streets to make it not such an overshove.

 

Fwiw , he c/r all in on the river which just seemed really odd the way the hand played out.

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