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Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t8000.00/t16000.00 Blinds – 7 players
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this a micro stakes mtt with a buy in of 3.30$ we are at the final 20 of 4000 players field. players stats VPIP/PFR/3BET are 18/6/5.3 at 95 hands.
this a micro stakes mtt with a buy in of 3.30$
MP: t391436.00 24.46 BBs
Hero (CO): t354218.00 22.14 BBs
BTN: t561952.00 35.12 BBs
SB: t921967.00 57.62 BBs
BB: t365367.00 22.84 BBs
UTG: t279502.00 17.47 BBs
UTG+1: t490202.00 30.64 BBs
Pre Flop: (t24000) Hero is CO with 8
8
3 folds, Hero raises to t38458, 2 folds, BB raises to t363367, hero what?
Kind of a tough spot imo. In practice I usually fold herem not sure if that is mathematically right or not. I think I would call JJ+AK maybe AQ. I tend to tighten up a lot from 3 tables in and this would be one of those spots where I hate life as I fold.
June 22, 2010
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You are facing two possible scenarios here: he is trying to block your steal attempt or he has a hand. I do not have Pokerstove on my Mac but I believe his 6% PFR range will beat your snowmen. I would lay this down, I like to be the agressor when up agianst players with statsistics as he had.
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Had villian 3 bet previously. Cause he does not look very aggressive. Maybe a flip that you HAVE to win or just in really bad shape. All comes down to your read and if you think you have a flip enough times to go with. No 3 bets previously I let him have it and wait for another hand.
It folds to you with 8's in the cutoff here…..I would go ahead and raise/call here. He could be reshoving with 55-77 and also we are only 22bbs deep. If we raise/fold we are turning 88 into a bluff. If he does have a bigger pair here I'd chalk it up to a cooler and there is not much you can do. Weak aces are even in his range and you could def be a 70/30 favorite. Stick it in and try and double up then you can really use your stack to have a chance at a top 3 run.
I guess we have to call here with 22bb stack… not sure how much is antes but I guess we need to have about 42% of equity for this call to be +ev… against 66+,AJs+,AQ+ we have 43%, and I would say that this is pretty narrow shoving range…
On the other side, I would open shove 88 in this spot… We don't want to give them a play to 3b us lite, and also we don't want to see the flop, cbet and fold to a raise or shutdown if cbet is called, since our hand don't flop that well.
petarlazovic said:
I guess we have to call here with 22bb stack… not sure how much is antes but I guess we need to have about 42% of equity for this call to be +ev… against 66+,AJs+,AQ+ we have 43%, and I would say that this is pretty narrow shoving range…
On the other side, I would open shove 88 in this spot… We don't want to give them a play to 3b us lite, and also we don't want to see the flop, cbet and fold to a raise or shutdown if cbet is called, since our hand don't flop that well.
My thoughts exactly. Love to open shove here with just 22bb. Remaining pos cant call to light as our stack can trully hurt their stack and the chances at making deeper run. SB may call lighter but again he would be risking his stack that he may feel is already pretty good with 20 players left. The real decision on the read of folding or calling here is, How active had u been. Tight images can make plays as well.
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By raising 88 here we're looking to induce hands like 55-77 to shove. 88 is 45.281% vs a range of 55+,AQ+, which makes this a call. Can you tell us what the antes were – then I can work out how tight he'd have to be shoving for this to be a fold?
the antes is 2000, 14000 total. thanks for your ideas. I ended up calling there with my 88, he had 44 and i lost the hand.
June 11, 2010
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You have ~20 bb's, I don't think that folding this is an option. I would be inclined to dry shove this when it folds around to me, I don't think I can raise/fold this and raise/call could put you in a lousy spot, so I would be inclinded to take the play away from all who act behind me, if they wanna play then they are gonna play for everything. If you get called, oh well load another.
Doubt I ever fold here unless the guy was the biggest nit in history. You could probably go even smaller with your open size to, minraising would be fine imo with this stack.
June 11, 2010
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DBAK111 said:
Doubt I ever fold here unless the guy was the biggest nit in history. You could probably go even smaller with your open size to, minraising would be fine imo with this stack.
If you are min-raising are you hoping to induce a spaz out? You have at least one good size stack who could put a bunch of pressure on you, then what do you do? I think small opens with this stack size makes for a lot of awkward spots.
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July 20, 2010
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would of autoshoved not much to think about here imo. you have lil more than 21 bb and you have to open but any time i have to open and leave my stack under 20 bb i will push or fold at this point of tourney its go time for me. shove em in and watch everyone snap fold. this way of playing the hand prolly would have seen 44 fold but they thgt they had a move on you and that you would fold by dry jamming you put the pressure on them
Cougars4444 said:
It folds to you with 8's in the cutoff here…..I would go ahead and raise/call here. He could be reshoving with 55-77 and also we are only 22bbs deep. If we raise/fold we are turning 88 into a bluff. If he does have a bigger pair here I'd chalk it up to a cooler and there is not much you can do. Weak aces are even in his range and you could def be a 70/30 favorite. Stick it in and try and double up then you can really use your stack to have a chance at a top 3 run.
This is exactly the right answer. I'm very confident inducing people to shove weaker hands here. There are a lot of marginal aces or very low pocket pairs that people would normally fold if you just shoved. Of course, there is the other side of the coin and people could be shoving QTdd, but you're still ahead of that, too. Raise/call and feel good about it when he flips over a hand you're a 70% favorite against.
lespaulgman said:
If you are min-raising are you hoping to induce a spaz out? You have at least one good size stack who could put a bunch of pressure on you, then what do you do? I think small opens with this stack size makes for a lot of awkward spots.
If the big stack wants to 'put pressure' on us with this stack isn't that kind of exactly what we want? I'm happy to raise/call into ppl I think will jam lite on me. Imo you're losing way to much value if you're open jamming 88 with 21bbs, I can see the point of doing it with hands like 22 – 66, QJ,KJ,QTs type hands that aren't good to r/c with but I don't see the issue with r/c 88 here.
Also where are you drawing the line at with open jamming here? You're jam range here is going to become very transperant to anyone competant if they know you only jam this sort of hand and r/c premiums. I just think you allow people to play to well against you here and you're not letting them make mistakes.
Whenever I'm in a situation where I'm not sure if I want to call or fold an all-in, I ask myself if the villian can plausibly have the hand right below mine that I dominate. For example, here, I ask myself, can this guy have 77? If he can, it seems that the math will always work in favor of a call. So in this case, the guy clearly could be reshoving with 77, so I think its a pretty easy call.
DBAK111 said:
lespaulgman said:
If you are min-raising are you hoping to induce a spaz out? You have at least one good size stack who could put a bunch of pressure on you, then what do you do? I think small opens with this stack size makes for a lot of awkward spots.
If the big stack wants to 'put pressure' on us with this stack isn't that kind of exactly what we want? I'm happy to raise/call into ppl I think will jam lite on me. Imo you're losing way to much value if you're open jamming 88 with 21bbs, I can see the point of doing it with hands like 22 – 66, QJ,KJ,QTs type hands that aren't good to r/c with but I don't see the issue with r/c 88 here.
Also where are you drawing the line at with open jamming here? You're jam range here is going to become very transperant to anyone competant if they know you only jam this sort of hand and r/c premiums. I just think you allow people to play to well against you here and you're not letting them make mistakes.
It's a good point about balancing range here, but this being 3.3$ tourney a lot of people will just call raise with stacks around 20 bb, and we'll have to play post flop with a hand that won't flop well… So I kinda think that is more important to protect ourself from flat calling than to balance our open shoving range… In bigger buy in tournaments where people won't flat us pre flop with 22 bb stack I guess is more value in opening and letting people shove lite on us…
July 3, 2010
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Yeah, you really don't need to be concerned about balancing your range in a $3 mtt. Your focus should simply be +EV decisions.
In this case raise/call > dry shove for reasons already stated.
As for where the draw the line… I think that was already stated, too.
Think of your range of hands you would raise/call with here versus your hands you'd raise/fold. The latter is what you could dry shove if you decide to go with your hand.
For what it's worth I really hate dry shoving 22 bb's so I probably play far too nitty in these spots…
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