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no reads on villin other than he been playn prettyn tight. i am the chip leader of tourny right now and i was really contemplating a call for that reason alone. How often can we call here?
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Poker Stars $4.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t100/t200 Blinds – 8 players
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Tango7 (CO): t2455 12.28 BBs
froab (BTN): t3068 15.34 BBs
redisland11 (SB): t6955 34.77 BBs
fffothup (BB): t5363 26.82 BBs
pablitux (UTG): t6707 33.53 BBs
pokemar (UTG+1): t2025 10.12 BBs
Hero (MP1): t19151 95.75 BBs
0nihil (MP2): t4957 24.79 BBs
Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is MP1 with 8
8
2 folds, Hero raises to t550, 4 folds, fffothup calls t350
Flop: (t1200) 6 6
4 (2 players)
fffothup checks, Hero bets t1050, fffothup calls t1050
Turn: (t3300) 4
(2 players)
fffothup checks, Hero checks
River: (t3300) 3 (2 players)
fffothup bets t1234, Hero folds
You are getting 2.6:1 on your call. I think it's very possible villan floated with anything from air to straight or flush draw. I think your check on the turn is fine, but you should probably pay off villan in this spot.
July 3, 2010
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I'd c-bet smaller here. You can easily c-bet like 40-50% pot on this flop and get folds the majority of the time.
As played I might make a curiosity call although I feel like we're beat. Based on your big c-bet he could have put you on large unpaired cards and might be making a stab with a missed flush draw.
But really… his bet is so often a boat here.
I'm ruling out 78 since you hold two 8's. The only draw would be if he held 35s/35o and is not going to bet that.
At this blind level and his stack size he shouldn't be bluffing much at all.
i think it's well played except for your cbet size, i'd go way smaller.
June 25, 2010
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well there are all the club draws, people don't reverse float air a lot, especially with that stack size, so I don't you can simply put him on a float here. Only thing you beat is a club draw, and his bet seems a little small for that, also he probably check shoves his club draws on this flop, so I think his line shows some type of showdown value, and most of the hands that have SD value on the flop beat you by the turn. I would say your raise size pre is also too big, i like going 450 at 100/200 maybe 500. Then yeah the flop bet is too big. Personally I think he has a 6 95% of the time here so I think the fold is solid.
I think you should definitely work a little on your bet sizing. Also, I think there is a great chance he does not have it. You say he is semi tight so 6 and 4 in his range seems thin. BB's float alot with A any so the bet on the river could definitely be a semi-bluff with show down value with his Ace. I feel like you gotta call with almost 3:1 odds and his range lacking a 6 or 4 often. I feel with the float post flop he can easily have A high or flush draw. Bet sizing makes your river decision much easier. GL
Hagbard Celine said:
i think it's well played except for your cbet size, i'd go way smaller.
HC u agree with the fold?
I agree with u on the bet sizing on the c-bet but I say call on the river.
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July 20, 2010
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c- bet is to big if you c-bet to 685 and villain calls and you play it like you did villain fires 850 on the end instead of 1234 and it makes your call that much easier. fwiw i think you should have called the 1234 exercising good bet sizing and pot control will allow you to see these pots threw to the end and see you win more
ttwist said:
c- bet is to big if you c-bet to 685 and villain calls and you play it like you did villain fires 850 on the end instead of 1234 and it makes your call that much easier. fwiw i think you should have called the 1234 exercising good bet sizing and pot control will allow you to see these pots threw to the end and see you win more
if the 850 in your example is the same % of the pot as it is in the hand OP played then i don't see how the call is any easier.
i just agree with others that given our read that villain is tight we really don't beat that much by the river except 77 and club draws. the bet is really small though and i cant sit here and say that calling is a huge mistake and also i could be wrong and it's a call.
It's possible villan called with a random 6 or 4 in his hand, but typical tight villans don't call with hands like that oop. Maybe A6s or A4s. Otherwise I agree that if his bet size was smaller on flop it would make it an easier call on river. I think for game flow reasons it would have been great to be able to call river bet that would have been much smaller only to not give other players the idea to float flops and fire rivers if you check back turn.
BTW – mofo's are “floating” a lot over the past couple of months at these buy-in levels. Flops almost never go check/bet/fold – they more often go check/bet/call very often.
June 25, 2010
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brentd22 said:
BTW – mofo's are “floating” a lot over the past couple of months at these buy-in levels. Flops almost never go check/bet/fold – they more often go check/bet/call very often.
are they reverse floating air a lot? like is he doing this with KJ and 20bbs? I am inclined to believe you, I am just wondering.
July 3, 2010
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jshilling09 said:
brentd22 said:
BTW – mofo's are “floating” a lot over the past couple of months at these buy-in levels. Flops almost never go check/bet/fold – they more often go check/bet/call very often.
are they reverse floating air a lot? like is he doing this with KJ and 20bbs? I am inclined to believe you, I am just wondering.
Bad players yes. Good players no.
No one competent should be reverse floating a 20 bb or less stack size. If the opener is competent he knows that betting the flop is setting up playing for stacks so he should not be barreling against you with air and you will not be able to just donk the Turn and take it away.
July 3, 2010
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jshilling09 said:
well there are all the club draws, people don't reverse float air a lot, especially with that stack size, so I don't you can simply put him on a float here. Only thing you beat is a club draw, and his bet seems a little small for that, also he probably check shoves his club draws on this flop, so I think his line shows some type of showdown value, and most of the hands that have SD value on the flop beat you by the turn. I would say your raise size pre is also too big, i like going 450 at 100/200 maybe 500. Then yeah the flop bet is too big. Personally I think he has a 6 95% of the time here so I think the fold is solid.
I like your way of thinking. I feel like he can also have 99-JJ in his range because maybe he was afraid to 3 bet those – and maybe he was setting up a turn checkraise, didn't get it, and now has to lead the river against us.
I've been making my open size 440 at the 100/200 level lately and feel like it's helped my post flop sizing a lot. I used to do 600 when I was a fish. Then I did 500 when I was a lesser fish. Now I do 440 like a rock star!
Hagbard Celine said:
i think it's well played except for your cbet size, i'd go way smaller.
Yes, but the river is definitely a call. Putting him on a 6 or 4 is just insane. For all he knows he is valuebetting ace high/77/55 or bluffing.
wait wot why is everyone saying this is a good fold and that this guy has a 6 '95% of the time'? (no offence 🙂
@sitting ducks,
in a sense i agree with you. the thing is, our read in the OP is that villain has been playing tight. i just don't think a tight player is flatting out of the BB with like AT/KJ type stuff, floating this flop OOP and then firing the river when we check back turn. that leaves 55/77 as the only worse hands that he can be v-betting, imo. i think 55 is a bit of a stretch.
if we were readless, or if BB had 30BB or something there's no way i fold, but i feel in this spot giving villain 55/77/Ax and missed FDs is a bit optimistic.
Hagbard Celine said:
@sitting ducks,
in a sense i agree with you. the thing is, our read in the OP is that villain has been playing tight. i just don't think a tight player is flatting out of the BB with like AT/KJ type stuff, floating this flop OOP and then firing the river when we check back turn. that leaves 55/77 as the only worse hands that he can be v-betting, imo. i think 55 is a bit of a stretch.
if we were readless, or if BB had 30BB or something there's no way i fold, but i feel in this spot giving villain 55/77/Ax and missed FDs is a bit optimistic.
Tight players will have almost no 6 in his range 🙂 I think you can never fold here, the price is just too good and his range contains some bluffs too
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