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88 on button - what to do when faced with re-raise shove on dry board
philomilo
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December 1, 2010 - 1:08 pm
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Got very stuck with this situation –  not much history, villain has 7/7/0 so he's obv playing big hands. My stats 20/13/4. Can I put him on AK/AQ and assume he's missed here?

Poker Stars $50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50/t100 Blinds – 9 players

TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): t6320 63.20 BBs

SB: t2900 29 BBs

BB: t2798 27.98 BBs

UTG: t5161 51.61 BBs

UTG+1: t2775 27.75 BBs

UTG+2: t4775 47.75 BBs

MP1: t1001 10.01 BBs

MP2: t1776 17.76 BBs

CO: t4254 42.54 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BTN with 8 of spades 8 of clubs

6 folds, Hero calls t100, SB raises to t350, 1 fold, Hero calls t250

Flop: (t800) 6 of hearts 3 of hearts 4 of spades (2 players)

SB bets t450, Hero raises to t900, SB raises to t2550 all in

Having trouble playing the steal/re-steal later in tournaments at the moment. Any advice in this spot would be much appreciated

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You open limped which is going to complicate your read a bit here, because now you can't define the SB's actions as purely based on representing a strong hand over your button open. The open limp in this situation introduces a whole gammit of hands that could be attacking you. I wouldn't put a huge amount of faith in the early level STATs as so much can be skewed by if he is playing multiple tables, or other early game dependant manuevers (for perspective I tend to play a lot like that very early as well and then open way up to a 20/18 – 22/18 by the later stages). That being said, I think the limp is a bad play. If you want to play the hand, raise it, you will spare yourself a lot of these weird spots. Once the flop comes because of how you played pre-flop I don't think I can range him terribly well. If you had open/raised and he re-raised you I think you can start to make a few more conclusions about what is going on, but in this situation for me given your opening action I think this could very well be either a huge hand or air trying to punish you. It is very hard to play sometimes when dealing with that sort of polarization.

 

That being said I think if the roles are reversed and you are in the SB I am going to attack a BTN limp like I am holding AA every time. I think this sort of play is highly exploitable in the micro's and is a really nice way to chip up.

 

All in all on your hand I don't think I re-raise, I would call the bet and see what he does on the turn as I think that street will be your best place to define what is going on. If you call his 3bet and his lead on the flop and he barrels again, fold you are crushed. If he checks the turn you may be able to see showdown with nothing else invested as he very well may be done trying to push you off your hand.

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if you mini raise on the flop, what are you hoping for? for a fold or to get villain to shove?

 

if you are just doing this without a plan, then thats your biggest mistake imo. 

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1. Don't open limp the button, especially with a hand as strong as 88.  Your goal in this spot should be raise/get it in against both of the blinds.

2. Just call the flop, raising doesn't do much but make him fold the AK and AQ you are hoping he has unless they are of hearts, in which case it's a flip anyway.  What is your plan when you raised?  If you raise flop, you shouldn't have a question about what you should do when he shoves, because you should consider that a very likely secnario and think about it before hand.  I really don't think you are good here, but I would rather have just gotten it in pre in what has to be a +EV spot against all but the tightest players.  How many hands do you have on Villain? 

 

All in all, if he has a bigger pair than 88 30bb effective button v. blind then it sucks to be in your shoes.   You should be getting in 30 bbs here, and if he was in your shoes and he had 88 and you had TT, you would be getting all of his chips so there isn't much you can do if that is the situation besides sigh, kick some type of animal, and load up the next tourney.

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December 1, 2010 - 8:45 pm
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Thanks for the comments guys – I know I played this one very badly so it's great to get some feedback. Must raise in the button that spot.

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OK, as played. you have to call off the rest. otherwise you literally turned your 88 into 27o

 

I would raise preflop 100% of the time. It just makes things so much easier and as a rule you just pretty much never want to limp into pots. however obviously there is rare situations where limping is Okay….say 5 players limp and you have 98 of spades in the small blind with like 40bbs, perfectly acceptable limp. Always be the aggressor. Helps with assigning hand ranges to other players

 

I think you said opponent was pretty tight? so i would have made it 240-300 preflop from the button, then if he re raised me to like 900 and hes been tight id assume he has 8s crushed and i dont believe im getting proper odds to continue with the hand so id fold

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