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September 30, 2015
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This is from a $4.40 Turbo Tournament on PS
We are down to about 50 players
New table, no read on villian
I don’t like 3 betting and going against the UTG range (17bb)
and I don’t like calling and perhaps going multi way or being squeezed out of the pot
I tend to fold these spots is that to tight?
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
9 Players
$4.00+$0.40
Blinds 6k/12k 9
UTG Gordpoker1 204k
UTG+1 Hero 373k
MP1 HTFflippy 259k
MP2 geriao_sp 92k
MP3 jOHANzUP 467k
CO Uto25 131k
D TravisJessop 185k
SB Rod.Aguil368 172k
BB HeadsUpGO77 129k
9 32k Hero is UTG+1 8 8
Gordpoker1 raises to 28k, Hero folds, 7 folds
Gordpoker1 wins 59k (net +30k)
August 20, 2015
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If you’re thinking of set mining, don’t you need the effective stacks to be about 7 times the raise if the only way you’re continuing is if you hit your 8? Perhaps a flop like 567 or 79T for example is also worth considering?
New to the table and with 31 big blinds I’m not folding there – I think I flat and reassess if there’s a squeeze. I don’t want to 3 bet / get it in to UTGs 4 bet shove with 88 but I think just folding here is too tight, even with so many other players to act behind.
Others at table will likely be thinking “we have a UTG open and a UTG+1 flat, so both of their ranges must be pretty strong there” so I don’t think you’re going to get squeezed too light there.
June 2, 2013
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I think I would fold this one too, there is a lot of shove stacks yet to act, and 17bb opening utg is a little scary for me, even in a low board flop I would not feel very confortable to GII.
I use 10 to 1 rule for set value, so to call 28k, efective stack should be 280k, V don´t have, so I am not going for set value here.
If this was like HJ opening I would 3bet to GII pre flop.
December 30, 2015
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I think the only bad options is 3-bet-folding.
I don’t mind flatting for 14k to set mine. It is likely V will either fold or we get his whole stack and that means the implied return is above 10x, which I like.
3-betting commits us but not everyone will pick up on that so I think we just end up inducing a wider range to shove, which isn’t what we want since there are a lot of overs for 88 and I think fold equity is valuable here and reduces variance.
I think V still has an open/fold range, but I’m not sure I want to test it read-less. I’m leaning towards a flop-dependent defend since it only costs us 1BB to win ~20BB if we hit and V hits top-pair or has an over-pair. If a flop comes something like 227r or even 34Tr I probably just call a c-bet and reevaluate. If V shoves I think we call…on 227r V probably doesn’t shove the flop with 22, 77, or KK+, maybe 99-QQ, AQ+ shoves…?
TT I probably shove PF. Anyone have ICMizer handy?
June 2, 2013
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MovieFX said
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I don’t mind flatting for 14k to set mine. It is likely V will either fold or we get his whole stack and that means the implied return is above 10x, which I like.… I’m leaning towards a flop-dependent defend since it only costs us 1BB to win ~20BB …
I think you misread the hand, hero is utg1 has to pay 28k. V is utg and has 204k for 17bb
September 30, 2015
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I tryed playing around with the math in ICMIZER but it only alows a 3 bet shove, which I don’t like with a big stack behind
but anyway..
I have UTG opening 9.35% and calling 3 bet shoves from me with 6%
I have everyone else with a 4.7% OC
But it is hard to see UTG folding anything?
If the only option was push/fold in this spot I think I would need 10s+ AKo+
Is this where Hold em Resources becomes more useful, for spots like this ?
May 19, 2016
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The V put in 13.7% of his stack
Hero would be putting in 7.5% of stack
With an effective stack of 180K, I think it would be worth a call to set mine and re-evaluate after flop.
Regards,
JP
December 30, 2015
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almofadinhas said
MovieFX said
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I don’t mind flatting for 14k to set mine. It is likely V will either fold or we get his whole stack and that means the implied return is above 10x, which I like.… I’m leaning towards a flop-dependent defend since it only costs us 1BB to win ~20BB …
I think you misread the hand, hero is utg1 has to pay 28k. V is utg and has 204k for 17bb
You are absolutely right. Sorry about that.
I think the positions make up for the extra BB though. The implied odds of a set-mine increase when V has a strong hand right? The only concern here is that we have to fold to a 3-bet, but I think it is worth the risk. We may get more callers too, making it even easier to get paid off if we hit, though callers do make us more flop dependent, so we are probably purely set-mining.
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