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October 7, 2015
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Hello guys, me again.
I just finished 7th in the turbo knockout 13.50$. We were 7 remaining. The payouts were the following: 1: 1052; 2:771 ; 3:568; 4:428; 5:300; 6: 236; 7:185.
FYI, i’m playing for the top 3, even top 2. I’m currently 6/7 and i received KTs in EP+1 with my 11/12 BB, I shoved that hand, big leak?
PokerStars – $10+$2.50+$1|6000/12000 Ante 1500 NL – Holdem – 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (UTG+1): 11.74 BB
MP: 19.79 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 23.16, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 108)
CO: 10.22 BB (VPIP: 19.40, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 67)
BTN: 28.83 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 69)
SB: 25.36 BB (VPIP: 29.27, PFR: 22.78, 3Bet Preflop: 13.79, Hands: 85)
BB: 18.88 BB (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 13.89, Hands: 78)
UTG: 24.42 BB (VPIP: 18.92, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 37)
7 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 2.38 BB) Hero has T
K
fold, Hero raises to 11.61 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 22.23 BB, fold
Flop: (25.1 BB, 2 players) 2
A A
Turn: (25.1 BB, 2 players) K
River: (25.1 BB, 2 players) A
SB shows J
A (Four of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 61%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows T K (Full House, Aces full of Kings)
(Pre 39%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
SB wins 25.1 BB
April 30, 2015
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I’m not shoving this, especially from EP. I might consider a shove from CO or Button.. I feel it is too risky and not worth the reward from EP.
May 20, 2015
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GTO solution has you shoving all suited Ax, ATo+, KJo+, K9s+, QJs, QTs, JTs, 33, with KTs making you 0.07% of the prizepool. It would be a leak to not be shoving.
October 7, 2015
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navinbits said
I’m not shoving this, especially from EP. I might consider a shove from CO or Button.. I feel it is too risky and not worth the reward from EP.
Yeah i’m in EP, but there are 5 players behind to act. It’s 7handed, which is kind of short-handed. And i’m exepcting players behind to call pretty tight. Considering that and the blinds and antes, my KTs seemed to me like a monster.
For the risk. I don’t really matter busted 7th, 6th or 5th. I’m aiming for the top 3 at least, so in order to achieve that, i think i need to shove that hand. Even when called, i got decent equity.
That was my plan.
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December 6, 2012
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kmid said
GTO solution has you shoving all suited Ax, ATo+, KJo+, K9s+, QJs, QTs, JTs, 33, with KTs making you 0.07% of the prizepool. It would be a leak to not be shoving.
Thanks for posting this, kmid.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but there’s really no point in posting a guess about what does or doesn’t feel right to you. ICM is very tricky to intuit. Of course in game you have no choice but to make your best guess, but away from the table, it’s imperative that you take advantage of tools that enable you to quantify these things. That’s the only way to improve your intuition. This is a solvable situation with a definitive answer, and you’re doing yourself a disservice if you don’t take advantage of the tools available to help you you find that solution.
October 7, 2015
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Foucault said
kmid said
GTO solution has you shoving all suited Ax, ATo+, KJo+, K9s+, QJs, QTs, JTs, 33, with KTs making you 0.07% of the prizepool. It would be a leak to not be shoving.Thanks for posting this, kmid.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but there’s really no point in posting a guess about what does or doesn’t feel right to you. ICM is very tricky to intuit. Of course in game you have no choice but to make your best guess, but away from the table, it’s imperative that you take advantage of tools that enable you to quantify these things. That’s the only way to improve your intuition. This is a solvable situation with a definitive answer, and you’re doing yourself a disservice if you don’t take advantage of the tools available to help you you find that solution.
I’m afraid to not totally understand what you’re saying. I didn’t post a guess, i post a move that i didn’t knew if it was accurate. I tried to first use ICMizer but i didin’t had a “comprehensive” result. So i just decide to post my problem to hear my TPEs coworkers opinion.
Now, maybe i didn’t totally understand the objective and the use of this forum. Then it would be my bad.
ElTucee
January 3, 2014
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What Andrew (Foucault) is saying is that you can solve this spot in different programs, and off the tables you can do work with this, to more know what to do in game. When a spot like this comes up and you are not sure on it, you analyze is in the program. In game, you do take your best guess. (and your guess is gonna be better after running a lot of spots like this, your guess is gonna become closer to the best play).
After the tournament you run the hands in the programs to get the correct information.
I think his answer is more a reply to navinbits as his answer is “I feel”.
as Kmid already posted. GTO = Game theory optimal. This is the move that is correct to do. I’m not sure if you are used to read hands like how he posted them. I did run the simulation for you and got same answer as Kmid already correctly did post.
I did a picture of it to make it easier for you to see what is correct to shove, the numbers under are how much profit of the pricepool in % the move is worth to make. As we can see shoving KTs is just a little bit worse than shoving 88, but better than shoving 77, and I think all of you shove 77 here right? Not shoving KTs is a mistake that Kmid already did point out.
January 2, 2016
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Nice hand, I guess you got to go with it. I found it interesting comparing KTs to pairs like 88 and 77.
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December 6, 2012
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ElTucee said
Foucault said
kmid said
GTO solution has you shoving all suited Ax, ATo+, KJo+, K9s+, QJs, QTs, JTs, 33, with KTs making you 0.07% of the prizepool. It would be a leak to not be shoving.Thanks for posting this, kmid.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but there’s really no point in posting a guess about what does or doesn’t feel right to you. ICM is very tricky to intuit. Of course in game you have no choice but to make your best guess, but away from the table, it’s imperative that you take advantage of tools that enable you to quantify these things. That’s the only way to improve your intuition. This is a solvable situation with a definitive answer, and you’re doing yourself a disservice if you don’t take advantage of the tools available to help you you find that solution.
I’m afraid to not totally understand what you’re saying. I didn’t post a guess, i post a move that i didn’t knew if it was accurate. I tried to first use ICMizer but i didin’t had a “comprehensive” result. So i just decide to post my problem to hear my TPEs coworkers opinion.
Now, maybe i didn’t totally understand the objective and the use of this forum. Then it would be my bad.
ElTucee
Sorry, nothing wrong with your post. I was referring to navinbits’ response which was just a guess.
I do think though that if you already used ICMizer that’s a good to include in the OP as well as an explanation of what you want to discuss beyond the solution that it gives. But good post, I actually wasn’t sure the answer to this myself off the top of my head so educational for me.
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July 14, 2015
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shove pre is pretty clear here. there are a laundry list of programs that can solve this for you… there is little to no icm to consider as we are essentially dead even with the shortest stack and we are shoving. take the profitable spot and move it along imo.
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