September 14, 2014
#Game No : 479937152
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 479937152 *****
$15/$30 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #63380647 $2.70 + $0.30 – Table #18 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: CIRCRIS ( $3,000 )
Seat 2: mastersam666 ( $2,945 )
Seat 3: mattste8 ( $2,970 )
Seat 4: cresto127 ( $4,640 )
Seat 5: anywayisok ( $2,835 )
Seat 6: vinny0094 ( $3,905 )
Seat 7: ken2b4u ( $3,075 )
Seat 9: london_ace ( $2,650 )
Seat 10: billybluff01 ( $6,980 )
anywayisok posts small blind [$15]
vinny0094 posts big blind [$30]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ 7, 6 ]
ken2b4u folds
london_ace raises [$90]
billybluff01 folds
CIRCRIS folds
mastersam666 folds
mattste8 folds
cresto127 folds
anywayisok calls [$75]
vinny0094 folds
** Dealing flop ** [ 8, 7, A ]
anywayisok checks
london_ace checks
** Dealing turn ** [ T]
anywayisok checks
london_ace bets [$105]
anywayisok calls [$105]
** Dealing river ** [ T ]
anywayisok checks
london_ace ????
Hey
No reads.
I'll quickly run through my thoughts on this hand
On the flop – I actually think betting here is better then checking back as there's not many turn cards we are going to like , on the other hand the flop does look drawy too , hands like Ax 56, T9s , and flush draw are calling and most pocket pairs are too so we're likely going to have to double barrel on the turn that don't complete straights/flushes.
On the turn – i think a delayed – cbet is good here , it's unlikely the turn has improved villians hand given that they've now checked twice.
on the river – although the river completes a flush and also the board paired i'm pretty sure its not helped v's range of hands so i now think turning our hand into a bluff is so much better then checking back , because given the action on the flop and turn it's unlikely v has a strong hand like a flush or a boat.
thoughts?
Lol these hands are really hard to play sometimes , so i thought i'd post this hand up to get your views , on maybe how you would of played it from the very start! I think raising a hand like 76s pre flop is fine , i guess in a $3 tourney though folding can be okay too.
TPE Pro
December 6, 2012
Preflop is borderline but fine, I'd like it better if you were using a smaller raise size. This is one of the reasons I like minraising: it enables me to play more hands. I agree that betting the flop is better than checking. As played, I'd give up river. Your showdown value isn't much, but it's not 0, and you ought to have some weaker hands in your range than you could use for bluffing instead.
TPE Pro
September 28, 2012
Agree with Foucalt in regards to not opening pre. I tend to start opening this from Co/HJ denpending on table image.
As played I am checking and I expect to win a lot. I disagree with Foucalt in that we dont have showdown, in fact I think we are going to be winning this pot near 50% of the time. So many draws on turn.
With that siad when we bet we are folding out all hands we beat basically and left with the hands that beat us, so we cannot bet.
I also definitely bet flop. Its a god flop for our range and we can make disguised hands if he does come along.
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September 14, 2014
andrew if im going to mini raise with my marginal hands , what about our strong hands then? if we start to mini raise hands like QQ+ AK (espically early stages) more players are going to call which means we are going to be playing in a multi way pot more often with hands which we would rather get HU or at least 3 way.
September 14, 2014
TPE Pro
December 6, 2012
folding_aces_pre_yo said:
andrew if im going to mini raise with my marginal hands , what about our strong hands then? if we start to mini raise hands like QQ+ AK (espically early stages) more players are going to call which means we are going to be playing in a multi way pot more often with hands which we would rather get HU or at least 3 way.
That's true. It's also not the end of the world. Your EV with your strongest hands goes down a bit, and IMO this is more than compensated by the additional EV you get from turning 0EV folds into +EV opens with hands like this one.
I do the same trick with minraising all of the hands in your range. Given the stack depth you can get a lot more of these types of hands played and they will be well disguised. As played I think you have to bet that flop, there are a ton of hands in your range that to a typical Villian that hand would hit.
As played I would check behind on the river. I agree that the bet would only keep around hands that beat us, but the other tool I like to exploit, especially at the micro level is to see what their cards are as cheaply as possible, especially early. I find that micro players don't change things up a lot so getting some information on what they were holding and how they played (e.g. is he a spazy better with TP/WK, does he minbet with nothing and then pot when he hits something, etc) can be invaluable. Insight is everything at the micro level in my experience since it is not often you have a lot of history with many of these players.
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