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700$ TCOOP ME flopped top pair 15bb deep what to do?
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January 31, 2016 - 6:31 pm
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No Limit Hold’em Tournament T5,000/T10,000
Buy-in: $665+$35 USD Hold’em No Limit
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9 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Stacks:
UTG – UTG (T534,453)
UTG+1 – UTG+1 (
T323,486)
UTG+2 – UTG+2 (
T205,285)
MP – MP (
T58,974)
MP2 – MP2 (
T93,274)
CO – CO (
T311,284)
BTN – BTN (
T94,230)
SB – SB (
T397,554)
BB – Hero (
T149,617)

Preflop: (T26,250, 9 players) Hero is BB with Q♥ J♦
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to T20,000, 6 folds, Hero calls T10,000

Flop: 3♥ Q♣ 8♥ (T56,250, 2 players – Hero: T128,367, UTG+1: T302,236)
Hero checks,
UTG+1 bets T18,000, Hero???

There is 598 players left and no stats on villain and all tracking sites are blocked on him. I also am blocked from search and he has no hands on me either. top 540 players paid and it`s not gonna be long until we are ITM. Call or check jam? I am in like 200th place or something.

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January 31, 2016 - 10:22 pm
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Probably similar in EV given that you have the Qh (without it I’d say jam). 

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the only thing that speaks against c/jam is the small bet size of villain on a board which normally hits the caller better. Also his sizing looks like he is not that much concerned about protecting against the many draws that are out there and that are yet to come.

on the other hand the size is good that it is big enough to leverage heros stack.

with the info he is blocked i assume he is reg so i jam 

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As you are fairly short, when you defend against an early position open with this hand what are you hoping to flop? I would expect to be dominated a good amount of the time.

Considering V is up against a BB defender with an awkward stack, and how deep V is, I like his small bet size regardless of what he holds. If he missed the flop and you shove he can get away cheap and if you missed you aren’t likely to continue. If you shove and he has something like AheartKheart or AheartJheart then V just gave himself good odds to call (almost exactly 2:1 if I counted right).

I’m not playing anywhere near these stakes though so please take the tone of my entire post as a question.

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Movie,

You’re right that the SPR is too low for Hero fold. The question is whether he should stack off by check-shoving or by calling down, and I don’t think there’s likely a big difference in EV between the two lines. I also agree that V’s size is good given the stack sizes. This is part of the reason why you shouldn’t just check-shove every time you like the flop: it leads to you either over-folding the flop to a small bet or over-folding the turn after check-calling the flop, and small bet sizes like this one effectively exploit that strategy by laying themselves a good price on a bluff. You’re right that V’s range probably contains all hands that dominate Hero. Given the low SPR, though, the down side to getting in dominated is pretty low compared to the upside of winning the pot the majority of the time that Hero has the best hand (it’s not THAT easy to outflop QJ on a Q-high board, even with a strong starting range – there are a lot of combos of AK and AJ floating around out there).

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I plugged in a tight but very realistic opening range of 55+,ATs+,KJs+QJs,AJo+,KQo from villain in this spot. He can be a bit wider cause we are somewhat close to the bubble and i am sure some of these players are very happy to get ITM. VS that range we have 63% equity on this flop so it`s clearly a great flop for us. I expect a good player to C-bet the entire range he opened on this flop. Flatting is correct almost 100% here, maybe not vs the absolute nits but those kind of players often can give up so easily if they miss the board with AK or AQ…….Also if they have JJ-KK and one or two overcards hit the board they are likely to give up and we can bluff and take the pot etc so even then it can be a defend cause in my experience a lot of those nits just has to have top pair or better or they give up. Not being aggro enough post like they really have to and should do when they are so tight.

Are there any other Programs than Cardrunners EV that can do these postflop calculations to check how many chips this x/r will be worth?
Mac does not work with CR-ev and i hope i dont have to buy a computer for that reason.

Thanks for great answers as always!

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pokkerheller said

Are there any other Programs than Cardrunners EV that can do these postflop calculations to check how many chips this x/r will be worth?
Mac does not work with CR-ev and i hope i dont have to buy a computer for that reason.

Here are the three most common ways to run windows software on a Mac.

  • Parallels has long been one of the most widely used by Mac enthusiasts to run Windows as a virtual machine (actually runs Windows inside a Mac window), but is also the most expensive choice and you need Windows on top of that
  • VMWare is my choice. It is an industry leader and is cheaper than Parallels. Parallels has some nice integration features, but I honestly haven’t found myself lacking anything. You still need Windows. Both this and Parallels offer a mode where the Windows windows can float alongside your Mac windows as if you just opened another program off your Mac. 
  • Wine is not just for Mac. I’ve used it to run Photoshop in Linux, for example. I am pretty sure this is free. It doesn’t need Windows either, but this feature is also the reason I find it can be sketchy for more complex use-cases. If you are just running pokerstove it is probably fine. Here is a link to the pre-packaged distribution. A good search offers plenty of videos and tutorials

This probably has been, or could be, posted elsewhere on the forums, but I hope this helps.

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