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July 17, 2012
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Greetings TPE'rs.
Had a couple of spots in a recent $7 turbo on 888 that could use your opionions on. Hand History converter isnt working so will type this out as best i can in a readable format.
HAND 1
Villain in HJ has been playing pretty standard and have not seen a showdown but seem to understand ranges over 79 hands at 16/13. Villain in the BB has been calling alot of hands especially with any Ace and running (39/7 over 47 hands)
9 Handed – Blinds 100/200 A:20
Villain in the HJ – 1205 chips (6bb) {16/13 – 79hands}
Hero in the SB – 5181 chips (27bb) 4
4
Still to Act in BB – 6559 chips (34bb) {39/7 – 47hands}
HJ open shoves
Hero?
My instinct was to reshove with the 44's and take the flip with the HJ however the BB still to act behind gave me pause.
What does the nation think here?
Hand 2
I think this is a standard push / fold scenario but am not sure if I am too light here. At this point with the blinds going up and with a small stack I have to find a spot and go with it but with 4 hands before the blinds is this a good shove? Another factor is that the BUT and BB are fishy running well over 30% call. SB i dont factor in as he has less than 1/2 BB remaining.
Playing 7 handed – Blinds 400/800 A:80
Hero in the CO – 4422 chips (6bb) with Q9
Button – 9664 chips (12bb) – 39/7
SB – 330 chips (0bb) – 36/8
BB – 22919 (30bb) – 30/22
You guys shoving here?
Thanks for your time reviewing this guys.
December 24, 2013
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look up nash shoving charts to get a better idea on what's at least mathematically +ev overall, and from there you tend to make adjustments after feel/opponent changes. q9 im shoving because you have a few more hands to get better than that hand. you have limited fold equity against those that are left, but less when you have to wait a hand (because you add a person to the equation each time you fold). i dont have pokerstove on work computer, but i think of it this way. if my average hand (random) over the next available spots ill have to take isn't going to be better than Q9o, then i take it. this particular shove isn't -ev, but this holds for spots that could be -ev too. if your shove is slightly -ev, but the avg hand over the next 3 spots or whatever you have left to choose from isn't going to improve, the -ev spot is your best spot. (for instance, -1, -2, -10…-1 is the best choice here).
my thoughts on reshoves on short stacks is i don't want to take a flip with the bottom pairs if i'm the one calling because it just adds more hands that beat you outright. i have to leave now, but ill come back to that.
November 4, 2013
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Reshoving the 44 is probably the worst of your options. Folding is the best option, unless you are fine with taking a flip here. Personally I'm fine with flipping in this spot in a Turbo, so I flat. I'm also very comfortable playing with a 20BB stack, and I'm able to call/fold when the BB reshoves. The HJ does have a few hands in his range that aren't flipping with 44, such as A2, A3, 22, 33.
For the Q9, push/fold charts say it's just inside the shove range. That should be the end of the story for that one, but if you have two “call happy” players behind you, your range has to be somewhat tighter. Most shove charts are based off your opponents playing “perfectly” which is rarely the case in poker. While the above poster makes a valid point about you having more potential callers each hand after this, you also get the added benefit of appearing to have a “tighter” shove range.
Theoretically, if the players who will be in the blinds on your BTN are not very good, you can fold through your blinds 1 more round and hope for a shove spot there. Basically, if you have gotten down to 6BB in a Turbo, it's very likely you are going to have to gamble to have any hope. The decision here will come down largely to what you are comfortable gambling with and how low you are willing to go with your stack. Do some studying with nash charts and then you get a feel for what your range should be “Mathmatically”. Adjust from there depending on situation.
March 8, 2013
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Based on holdemresources.net's ICM calculator (with winner-take-all to calculate chip ev), if you are playing strictly re-shove or fold, you should shove 22+ A2s+ A3o+ K6s+ K9o+ Q9s+ QTo+ J9s+ T9s here, so I have to say that OneTime is quite wrong and reshoving is significantly better than folding here. Whether call/folding is better I don't know. My worry is that BB who is call happy will flat with overcards and then you are playing heads up in a dry side pot out-of-position with a hand that will never know if you are best.
I reshove, I think calling is okay, and folding is not acceptable.
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August 25, 2012
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As others have pointed out, I think you can probably find easy ways to do the math on these yourself using ICMIZER and some other calculators, but I’m pretty sure that both hands are shoves. The second hand is relatively straightforward and I can’t see folding any two cards 9 or higher there for 6bb, but the first is close between call and shove. I think shove is fine in general but I also think call is fine if the big blind is particularly tight. Since in this instance the big blind seems to be very passive and calling too much, I think shove for 27bb here is fine.
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August 3, 2011
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I prefer call and fold if the bb shoves in the first example. I just don’t think he is getting out of line from his stack too often and shoving many broadways etc. Just slightly too many chips in this spot as we can fold and still have 21 bbs if we flat and run into it behind. If we had 24 bbs in this spot I would shove. And in the second example it is essentially the button we are shoving and I am not folding Q9o for 6 bbs unless its a ft and there are stacks shorter than me. As you said blinds are going up shortly we need to make something happen.
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