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Let me know what you think of my flop, turn and river play. Would you bet different quantities for value? would you protect your hand more?
what do you pu the villain on after the flop play?
Mi Image is tight at the table as I played a few hands. The Villain's Stats are 22/3 over 50 hands. The only meaningful hand is when he doubled up to 100 BBs by calling a big bet on the turn with a flush and gutshot str8 draw and got there (although he had abotu 3-1 odds on that call)
Full Tilt Poker $10,000 Guarantee (1r+1a) No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t80/t160 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Seb211 (SB): t5535 34.59 BBs
DonMatek (BB): t14605 91.28 BBs
aquila52 (UTG): t10820 67.62 BBs
bigred566 (UTG+1): t10996 68.72 BBs
katalysttt (UTG+2): t4586 28.66 BBs
HolidayHoe111 (MP1): t8588 53.67 BBs
IsaacJames (MP2): t4920 30.75 BBs
NoXGling (CO): t4670 29.19 BBs
danceswithcards (BTN): t10600 66.25 BBs
Pre Flop: (t240) IsaacJames is MP2 with Q
K
aquila52 calls t160, 1 fold, katalysttt calls t160, 1 fold, IsaacJames raises to t420, 4 folds, aquila52 calls t260, katalysttt calls t260
Flop: (t1500) A K
Q (3 players)
aquila52 checks, katalysttt checks, IsaacJames bets t960, aquila52 calls t960, katalysttt folds
Turn: (t3420) 2 (2 players)
aquila52 checks, IsaacJames checks
River: (t3420) 2
(2 players)
aquila52 checks, IsaacJames bets t480, aquila52 calls t480
I dont love the 3x bet with KQo and two early position limpers pre. It is not bad either, I just dont love it with CO and BTN still to act and we only have 30bb's. I think the cbet is fine, but again, we are in a multi-way pot and the one villian is 20/3 so basically a calling station and not a bettor. I like pot control and trying to get to showdown cheap here.
The way it played out, I dont like the value bet on the river either. Like I said, he is a calling station and limping UTG means he can easily have A rag or a random K. So check back the river and lets turn them up!
I get what you say, but PF I feel folding KQ here is too weak and I hate limping behind ginving odd to everybody else to limp as well or to Squeeze, so I bett to Iso and hopefully narrow the field.
On the flop given that there were a bunch of limpers I feel I am best a ton since AQ, AK would have raised not limped, TJ is a risk of course. I disagree though that I shouldnt C-bet. it would look very weak and of he bets I dont know where I stand. plus calling stations call a lot of worse hadns here IMO.
On the river after 2 checks I felt pretty good about having the best hand but felt I wouldnt get more out of him, plus Any Ace got there on me since the brd paired. so maybe you are right the river was a check
anyway thanks for the answer, I will post the resul in a little while just in case someboedy else wants to comment.
I like the 3bet and the cbet. I heard some pros recently talk about cbet sizing that may pertain here. They say that if you have the type
of opponent that these stationy limp/callers seem to be, they will either call if they hit or fold if they don't, regardless of the cbet size.
So maybe a little bigger 3bet pre and a little smaller cbet may be ok.
One final thing here before I post result: does anybody have an opinion in the river bet? I am betting VERY small here thinking missed draws and one pair hand might still pay especially calling stations like this guy. should I bet bigger there?
Pre is too small. I would of made it 700 pre. All you did is give your opponents great odds to call. If you make it more you increase your chances of taking it down pre or at least you only get one caller. Your flop cbet is good. Check on the turn is fine. Once he checks the river you should check it back also since the board paired and Ax is in his limp range. I think if you make it bigger pre you can make your flop cbet the right size to set up a turn shove. If you make it 700 pre and only Aquila calls there would be 1800 in the pot and you would have 4200ish. If you cbet around 900 and he calls you can shove the turn with basically a pot sized bet. I think this would be the right play as you would be getting it in good against most Ax hands that are limp calling there not to mention KJss or KTss hands.
For what its worth, I personally don’t value bet this river. Villain is a weak passive donk who limp/calls preflop. The fact that he checked every street and didn’t bet out at any point doesnt mean he hasn’t got the Ace. This villain would be incapable of betting for value and I think he shows up with the ace rag too often.
All of that added to the fact that you have a smallish stack, I would just get to showdown cheap and not risk the thin value.
I do think you missed value on the turn tho since your hand is best a large majority of the time and this type of villain is never folding an ace. When I make a decent hand against a weak passive fish, I value bet value bet value bet.
October 6, 2010
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G0liath said:
For what its worth, I personally don't value bet this river. Villain is a weak passive donk who limp/calls preflop. The fact that he checked every street and didn't bet out at any point doesnt mean he hasn't got the Ace. This villain would be incapable of betting for value and I think he shows up with the ace rag too often.
All of that added to the fact that you have a smallish stack, I would just get to showdown cheap and not risk the thin value.
I do think you missed value on the turn tho since your hand is best a large majority of the time and this type of villain is never folding an ace. When I make a decent hand against a weak passive fish, I value bet value bet value bet.
And the size of the value bet on the river is irrelevant. You have to get called by a worse hand more than 50% of the time to make it profitable in the long run. I just don’t see him calling with KJ KT half as often as he calls with Ace rag.
In other words, Making is smaller doesnt increase the KJ/KT calling frequency to more than 50% of the times you do get called.
I make it bigger preflop to iso the limpers, around the 700-750ish range.
I like the cbet on the flop.
I bet the turn, then check the river.
Thanks for your feedback guys. Here are the results:
River: (t3420) 2 (2 players)
aquila52 checks, IsaacJames bets t480, aquila52 calls t480
Final Pot: t4380
aquila52 mucks Q T
IsaacJames shows Q K (two pair, Kings and Queens)
IsaacJames wins t4380
I think this is one where I got lucky, and I am trying to post hands that I win but feel did not play optimally, this is certainly one of those. I definitely think posters are right that a turn bet was appropriate, and definitely hated my river bet when looking at it later on.
After this hand I did try to play as many pots as I could with this guy as I thought he was TERRIBLE.
July 3, 2010
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If you're going to raise pre it needs to be much bigger. You're making no one fold here.
Make it like 600-700.
This will then allow you to get your stack in on the Turn with the way the rest of the hand plays out. You put yourself in an awkward spot with your bet sizes.
650 raise pre, 2/3 pot c-bet on flop, shove turn. I should do the math myself but it should be close to working out that way …
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