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66 at ft 7 handed to utg action
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August 7, 2013 - 5:33 am
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This was from the $44 3K gtd on merge 3b folding seemed bad pre and I didn't really want to 3b call it off to an utg opener as played is this hand played fine ? can we fold the river ? I thought there were alot of high spades he would play in this fashion. …..g/?6595632. Also I'm going to make it more of a habit of posting in here since I decided to review all the key hands from my session that night.

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if you see some of the training videos i think youll see many of pros just folding 66 in this spot as the hand will play awkwardly postflop, there are going to be few good flops and i guess you will be folding best hand sometimes on flop but it is utg raise and as it  goes youve ended up losing a significant chunk here. i suppose you have to think sometimes if hes betting into two players on turn he will have it a lot of time as we see he checked top top on flop to get two streets of value later and it worked well, i think as played out im folding turn to his delayed c bet even though he opened utg he may be going for pot control with weak suited ace or a9 a10 type hand or may even have a kk/qq.

 

personally i have put myself in many bad  spots flatting an utg raise with medium pairs when not real deep stacked because you often have tough decisions down the line, so maybe fold pre is better.

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August 7, 2013 - 5:50 am
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ps you say you think he may have high spades but thats only a tiny part of his range i think it more likely here he will have some ace or better pair

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Hi nocturnal1,

I don't mind completing your SB w 66 against UTG Opener, he isn't that deep which makes little bit pointless for setmine, however you already got invested some chips in the pot, so I think thats fine. Postflop seems quite spewy for me, just because he might checkback some of his Ax's and pocket pairs which has you crushed 99+, he might do for pot control.

I think if you are calling the turn, you should definitely fold the river, just because there is not much bluffs in his range, yes the spades missed, but I'm pretty sure that  he would cbet the flop with flush draw.

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August 7, 2013 - 4:49 pm
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I agree with folding pre I just thought that it seemed like he was a weak player since he was making alot of bigger pf sizing on his open but the fact that he min raised should've been sounding alarm bells.

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obv if you flat and its a62 u prob double but how often are you gonna hit dream flop, and how often will you waste chips in this pot? the problem also i think with set mining when your not deep is that even if you flop set your not always gonna double up anyway i mean if its a 622 flop and he has ak hes prob not gonna barrell off all his chips and he may even check fold on like 654 or something like that so you just win small pot. Ive seen moorman at final tables of bigger tournaments sometimes 3 bet shoving or 3 bet calling off with 66,77,55 with like 25 bbs stacks and in way iot makes sense because if he does hit hes guarenteed to win large pot and theres nothin sweeter than getting it in with 55 vs ak and seeing 529 flop lol.

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August 8, 2013 - 12:39 am
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yeah like i say if u can't 3b call off or just shove its best just to fold or play as a 100% set mine since its too hard to gauge otherwise. I had reasons to think he was strong there and I was correct pitching to any bet would have been preferable.

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August 8, 2013 - 8:40 am
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you need to pay 2250 to see a flop
so vs a tight utg range we need to win about 22500 in total to make it profitable

but i think we cant just set mine
lots of the time we also have to make some moves on favorable flops. and by that i dont mean flops we hit good : D

just this flop hits utg range to hard to make anying then c/f turn

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I really don't think you're ever ahead here.  He's opening UTG with 25BB, what do you think his range is?  My guess would be A7s+, ATo+, 22+, KQ, KJs, QJs readless.  Based on this range, you have 34% equity on the flop and 32% on the turn.  That's slightly above the pot odds you are getting on the turn bet, but given how bad river action is for you I just fold the turn.

 

Also, you mention he often makes it large and that you think the minraise means strength.  If he fact this is true, and his range is TT+, AQ+, you literally lose to every hand in his range.  

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