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$600 GTD Final table, not sure what to do on the turn?

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April 19, 2015 - 6:13 pm

#Game No : 739282113
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 739282113 *****
$1,000/$2,000 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #68304669 $4.50 + $0.50 – Table #13 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: venatel ( $42,192 )
Seat 2: SELE8889 ( $50,099 )
Seat 3: CameronMcCor ( $84,736 )
Seat 4: monicahenny ( $103,185 )
Seat 5: akatenango ( $22,937 )
Seat 6: london_ace ( $101,056 )
Seat 7: tyxxxx ( $85,239 )
Seat 9: IgorKhatin ( $33,664 )
Seat 10: Trollfacer ( $88,892 )
akatenango posts ante [$250]
CameronMcCor posts ante [$250]
monicahenny posts ante [$250]
london_ace posts ante [$250]
tyxxxx posts ante [$250]
venatel posts ante [$250]
SELE8889 posts ante [$250]
IgorKhatin posts ante [$250]
Trollfacer posts ante [$250]
akatenango posts small blind [$1,000]
london_ace posts big blind [$2,000]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ 8 spade , K spade ]
tyxxxx folds
IgorKhatin folds
Trollfacer folds
venatel raises [$4,625]
SELE8889 folds
CameronMcCor folds
monicahenny folds
akatenango folds
london_ace calls [$2,625]
** Dealing flop ** [ 5 spade , 7 heart , 8 heart ]
london_ace checks
venatel checks
** Dealing turn ** [ Q diamond ]
london_ace checks
venatel checks
** Dealing river ** [ 4 heart ]
london_ace checks
venatel checks

heeeey!

Final table here we are , final table here we are! haha just excited that i got to the final table!

Right folks lets get on with this!

no reads as we only just got to the final table not long ago.

i wanted to bet turn , though villain may easily have a hand like AQ/KQ/QJ/QT which has us beat, on the other hand they may also have AK/AJ/KJs which we beat and we can get value from. I guess i don’t hate checking turn , but i really do think river should be b/f or maybe even b/c.

thoughts yo?

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April 19, 2015 - 8:52 pm

folding_aces_pre_yo said:

i wanted to bet turn , though villain may easily have a hand like AQ/KQ/QJ/QT which has us beat, on the other hand they may also have AK/AJ/KJs which we beat and we can get value from. I guess i don't hate checking turn , but i really do think river should be b/f or maybe even b/c.

thoughts yo?

Were you going to c/f turn? Assuming not, betting doesn't actually cost you anything relative to c/c when V has one of those hands. Checking does, however, cost you when V takes a free card with AJ or gets closer to showdown with a hand that would have called a bet. Might as well bet the river too, hard to imagine you don't have the best hand at this point and V may be tempted to call light because his line was weak and you get to river with a lot of weak hands that could bluff.

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April 20, 2015 - 6:08 am

Great response andrew! u see the thing is i never really thought of it like that , i thought betting turn does cost me something and that is getting called “mostly” by hands that has us beat, which obv is totally wrong to think that.

so basically if we did bet turn , you're betting river as well on this run out? even though the river completes flushes and straights , i reckon v would of bet most hands with decent equity on the flop.

would u say the likely hood of them having a flush is high by the time we get to the river? if anything i reckon there's more flushes in our range then villians , we could of just missed a check raise and now we are planning to bet turn and river. I also think if villian hand hands like AJ KJ , he may think this is a good bluffing opportunity for us to resprent a flush which i think means we will get called maybe a bit lighter.

As for straights be in there range i dont think v is going to turn up with a hand like A6s,K6s 69s , or something like that. Though there's going to be a lot more 6x in our ranger then villians since we're calling from the bb with a very wide range a lot of the time. We obv dont need to turn our hand into a bluff though and if anything trying to get value from Ax is what we should be looking to do or maybe even from hands like KJ or as weak as KT.

what confuses me though IF we did bet that river, shouldnt we betting with a polarized range? or we are just going for thin value?

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April 20, 2015 - 11:48 am

Two things determine how widely you can value bet the river:

1. The strength of Villain's range (presumably weak on this runout after checking back flop)

2. The number of bluffs available to you (a lot, considering you called a small raise from BB and weren't forced to call a flop bet)

So even if you are betting a polarized range here, both poles can be very large if V is capped or nearly capped. This is one of the worst hands I'd value bet, and I doubt betting is worth a lot more than check-folding, but I can't see you being beat very option, and you've got enough bluffs available to you that Villain can't profitably most of the hands you beat.

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