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$5r AJo from SB in late stages
micahkg
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February 15, 2012 - 9:30 pm
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No reads on either player as new table…. 

I know you guys will probably say 3 bet pre…… as played however what do we make of this guys raise? The small raise seems super strong….. but still have quite a few outs vs two pairs and sets…. i felt stuck in this spot between folding, calling or shoving? 

 

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t500/t1000 Blinds + t100 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Ninja_Canuck (UTG+1): BB = 48.3, t48314
DeLtouz@ki09 (UTG+2): BB = 43.0, t42989
KongCazEx (MP1): BB = 41.8, t41764
menk11 (MP2): BB = 14.0, t13956
Nicefoyou (CO): BB = 22.5, t22508
guicerbero (BTN): BB = 14.7, t14653
Hero (SB): BB = 107.1, t107125
boardrat (BB): BB = 44.5, t44531
das_honk (UTG): BB = 60.3, t60276

Pre Flop: (t2400) Hero is SB with J of spades A of diamonds
das_honk raises to t2500, 6 folds, Hero calls t2000, boardrat calls t1500

Flop: (t8400) 9 of clubs T of hearts 8 of diamonds (3 players)
Hero checks, boardrat checks, das_honk bets t4500, Hero calls t4500, boardrat raises to t11000, das_honk folds, Hero??

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February 16, 2012 - 8:48 am
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This is the exact spot I struggle with too in the SB spot and have a good hand to start with. I recently had a post and the 3bet Pre is proper but that isn't where you were at, you flat the call from btn which put you in a wierd spot for the flop.

Now….The btn raise (a.k.a. his cbet) was air for the BB exposed that with his lil raise. What would your result be if you 3 bet his raise instead of BB? If you had re raised BTN, you would would have had a better read of the BB because at this point, in the preflop you wouldn't have much read to know where you are at. This is why you need to try and lead out Pre as best as you can with your AJ so you can get your reads out before the river. It IS possible that BB has nothing and the BTN as resulted that BB beat you to the read of the BTN (he had nothing).

Now you are faced with another “investment” in chips to see where are at to see if the BB was simply still had air which could have been a three bet air dung bet to take it down before the next turn with absolutely nothing or he hit the flop and crushed. 

At the spot and where you are at in the hand. Your Pre 3 bet would have given you a more desirable result of the hand. Since you flat the BTN, and played as is. I would simply fold in your spot and look for another spot.

 

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February 16, 2012 - 2:04 pm
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readless, not sure what his opening range is from utg so i actually prefer to just fold pre. and I dont like 3b pre at all. yea its kinda nitty but your gonna be a tough spot post flop against OR and most likely bb calls too cuz omg he is getting odds, which he does here. as played though, flop deff hits the BBs range. we have like 30% equity against his cr value range which includes 2p, sets, pair/draw combos, etc. and given that we are readless how much can we assume he is CR light here?  i think calling flop isnt good cuz if we bink the turn, can we get paid off? so either click back the flop or fold imo…and id lean towards folding.

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