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55 Set on the turn

Donskey

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August 23, 2011 - 8:21 pm

I have played with the villian before, and had a note on him that he was quite aggresive and a bit of a maniac.

He once shoved over 200BBs after a flop of 456 rainbow with AJ os against 2 players

I had this hand come along early in a tourney. I've heard about instinct in poker and that sometimes to trust it and go with

it. Everything inside me told me to fold here. For some reason, my instinct told me he had KK or QQ but the player is a maniac.

I don't know whether playing with instinct is correct or not? It is not quantifiable. It is so subjective.

What would you guys do here? Thx in advance

Poker Stars $30+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10/t20 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): t4760 238 BBs
SDVIG01 (BB): t5190 259.50 BBs
barchy23 (UTG): t6680 334 BBs
derDon85 (UTG+1): t4670 233.50 BBs
31ddd31 (UTG+2): t4850 242.50 BBs
Niko Mikulic (MP1): t5330 266.50 BBs
Virtual17 (MP2): t4980 249 BBs
Kaija7 (CO): t5170 258.50 BBs
spinks101 (BTN): t3370 168.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is SB with 5 of diamonds 5 of spades
5 folds, Kaija7 raises to t80, 1 fold, Hero calls t70, 1 fold

Flop: (t180) K of diamonds Q of clubs 4 of hearts (2 players)
Hero checks, Kaija7 bets t100, Hero calls t100

Turn: (t380) 5 of clubs (2 players)
Hero checks, Kaija7 bets t220, Hero raises to t460, Kaija7 raises to t1220

Cougars4444

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August 23, 2011 - 8:32 pm

If I had a note he's a huge maniac I might just shove here as there is probably zero chance he folds KQ, 44 or AK or some even random combo draw he picked up on turn. If he has KK or QQ just bink a 5 on the river. Based on your note I'd probably shove and if he set over setted us go ahead and fire up another tourney one of the nice things about online.

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August 23, 2011 - 9:23 pm

agree, dont ever worry about a higher set unless they are the worlds biggest nit and you are 1000bb deep

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Donskey

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August 23, 2011 - 9:53 pm

Thx for the replies

The hand history converter does not convert after the river. Anyone else have this problem? I always have to manually paste

the last few lines and insert the card icons.

Well I did what was suggested. Thought that this guy would never fold a K and if he has a better set, congratulations, move on. So I reluctantly shoved.

And he did have a set of Queens

Donskey: raises 3360 to 4580 and is all-in
Kaija7: calls 3360
*** RIVER *** [Kd Qc 4h 5c] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Donskey: shows [5d 5s] (three of a kind, Fives)
Kaija7: shows [Qh Qs] (three of a kind, Queens)
Kaija7 collected 9540 from pot
Donskey finished the tournament in 25th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9540 | Rake 0
Board [Kd Qc 4h 5c 9d]
Seat 1: Donskey (small blind) showed [5d 5s] and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 2: SDVIG01 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: barchy23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: derDon85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 31ddd31 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Niko Mikulic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Virtual17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Kaija7 showed [Qh Qs] and won (9540) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 9: spinks101 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Poker Stars $30+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10/t20 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is SB with 5 of diamonds 5 of spades
5 folds, Kaija7 raises to t80, 1 fold, Hero calls t70, 1 fold

Flop: (t180) K of diamonds Q of clubs 4 of hearts (2 players)
Hero checks, Kaija7 bets t100, Hero calls t100

Turn: (t380) 5 of clubs (2 players)
Hero checks, Kaija7 bets t220, Hero raises to t460, Kaija7 raises to t1220, Hero raises to t4580 all in, Kaija7 calls t3360

River: (t9540) 9 of diamonds (2 players – 1 is all in)

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [5 5] (three of a kind, Fives)
Kaija7: shows [Q Q] (three of a kind, Queens)
Kaija7 collected 9540 from pot
Hero finished the tournament in 25th place

Protential

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August 25, 2011 - 6:58 pm

We should be folding on the flop.

When we raise ott we need to make it much bigger for multiple reasons.

1: a bigger raise (in the range of 650-850) will usually be seen as weaker and more like a draw.

2: it builds the pot and allows us to value bet more otr and get called more often when we do so.

3: it gives draws worse odds to chase and actually can entice them to semi bluff with them.

Vs this kind of villain i'd consider this to be a cooler and happily shove turn vs their 3bet, however vs most villains i would not shove ott i would call their 3bet and donk lead all non scary rivers for aroun 1/3rd pot and fold to a shove. When we shove here we flip our hand face up and only the worst of players will stack off with worse.

Cougars4444

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August 26, 2011 - 9:03 pm

Agree with Protential's entire post. Spot on advice.

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