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83 hands with him.his stats are 28/16/10.We are 417 left and 250 pay.
Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300.00/t600.00 Blinds – 8 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
want2playpoker (MP1): t21389.00 35.65 BBs
blackeagle75 (MP2): t62631.00 104.39 BBs
Pashkela (CO): t7087.00 11.81 BBs
Makarosh (BTN): t13088.00 21.81 BBs
Komil13 (SB): t31820.00 53.03 BBs
GMENallin (BB): t38365.00 63.94 BBs
chrisp200 (UTG): t6999.00 11.66 BBs
OLDNICK SPb (UTG+1): t11025.00 18.38 BBs
Pre Flop: (t900) Komil13 is SB with 8
8
6 folds, Komil13 raises to t1500, GMENallin raises to t4200, Komil13 ??? best option?call to see flop, 4bet and fold if he goes all in?
If you've been raising his BB every opportunity then I snap 4bet shove. Otherwise I would prefer to flat, hit set and play for stacks. When deeper, mucher deeper in stacks u can 4bet fold . But I dont like this action cause we could be losing a ton value if we were to get to flp and make set.
bjizz
bjizzle44 said:
If you've been raising his BB every opportunity then I snap 4bet shove. Otherwise I would prefer to flat, hit set and play for stacks. When deeper, mucher deeper in stacks u can 4bet fold . But I dont like this action cause we could be losing a ton value if we were to get to flp and make set.
bjizz
Would 4bet shoving be a bit of an overshove?
bjizz
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March 17, 2010
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I've stared at this for 10 minutes and have to admit i have no idea what to do. This is a tough spot.
July 3, 2010
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Yeah, shoving is too much here. You'll fold out a lot of hands that you beat.
When you're ranging someone and you end up assigning him some stuff that you are ahead of you don't want to take any actions which suddenly remove those hands from the mix and only leave the hands which either beat you or are 50/50 against you.
If you 4-bet jam he's going to fold something like 44-77, A9, etc. You'll win an ok pot some times when he folds his air/weakish hands and likely lose a very large pot the majority of times when called.
If you click it back you are still giving him room to think he can fold you out by making a play at you.
I think I fold here. I don't want to flat out of position when there are many flops which we'll hate. I also don't want to 4 bet/fold because we'd lose 25% of our stack.
The villain's stats are on the loose-passive side of things so I give him credit for having a good hand here. Unless you have some specific reads or table dynamics you can share I prefer folding.
July 3, 2010
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RonFezBuddy said:
I've stared at this for 10 minutes and have to admit i have no idea what to do. This is a tough spot.
When in doubt, fold it out!
I'm half kidding about this 🙂
Its ackward as I hate to fold 88 in a BvB war but FKCoolers makes some very valid points in his post. I think I also strongly consider any previous action you have seen this guy do in the blinds. If this is the first time he has fought back I fold. But if he has been aggressive I may play it differently.
Thanks guys!Unfortunately,i 4bet shove he called with KK.Learned my lesson
53BB is a bit much to shove.
i'm not sure we'll have an equity advantage 4bet/calling (is he 5betting worse pairs?), and folding 88 BvB to a 3bet seems a tad nitty, so i'd flat. sure, it's not an ideal situation, but i think it's the best choice in this spot. just proceed cautiously and be sure to take a note after the hand.
FkCoolers said:
Yeah, shoving is too much here. You'll fold out a lot of hands that you beat.
When you're ranging someone and you end up assigning him some stuff that you are ahead of you don't want to take any actions which suddenly remove those hands from the mix and only leave the hands which either beat you or are 50/50 against you.
If you 4-bet jam he's going to fold something like 44-77, A9, etc. You'll win an ok pot some times when he folds his air/weakish hands and likely lose a very large pot the majority of times when called.
If you click it back you are still giving him room to think he can fold you out by making a play at you.
I think I fold here. I don't want to flat out of position when there are many flops which we'll hate. I also don't want to 4 bet/fold because we'd lose 25% of our stack.
The villain's stats are on the loose-passive side of things so I give him credit for having a good hand here. Unless you have some specific reads or table dynamics you can share I prefer folding.
this guy knows his shit! awesome analysis
bjizz
July 3, 2010
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Hagbard Celine said:
53BB is a bit much to shove.
i'm not sure we'll have an equity advantage 4bet/calling (is he 5betting worse pairs?), and folding 88 BvB to a 3bet seems a tad nitty, so i'd flat. sure, it's not an ideal situation, but i think it's the best choice in this spot. just proceed cautiously and be sure to take a note after the hand.
I'm not a fan. We're out of position and this line results in check/folding like 9 out of 10 flops we see. Or we can OOP float and fold to a 2nd barrel which is even worse.
This guy is too passive to think about leveling blind vs. blind contests.
If we flat here and don't hit our set we're going to lose a ton of chips if the flop comes all low and he's holding an overpair. Doubt we ever fold 88 on a flop of 932 rainbow or something like that. In fact, we probably check-raise and hate life when he shoves because we've now invested at least 1/3 of our stack to find out we're dead.
If we call we're essentially hoping to hit a set or a board like 4 5 6 or 5 6 7.
I think if he flat we are folding to alot of boards as well. Can't be confident if some paint comes and he fires half pot or more.
I would fold b/c you will have many more spots to choose from and they are going to be much easier to play than this one….ie In position.
why would you ever c/r 932r with 88 in a 3bet pot?
folding is better than getting it in, and if you are doing stuff like c/r 932r or always stacking off with an overpair then you probably should fold.
but saying stuff like we have to fold 9 out of 10 flops or that we have to flop a set or 465/567 is just wrong. also, why is c/c certain boards and c/f turn so bad? especially if we are relatively confident that his 3bet is widish and that he'll cbet a lot but not barrel away with his air? he's 28/16 with what i assume is a 10% 3bet.
and just generally, if we're folding 88 BvB to a villain 3betting 10%, then why raise in the first place? are you raise/folding 99? TT?
and FWIW i make some pretty big folds, and would have no problem raise/folding 88 if the positions were different, but having it fold to us in the SB with 88 and the BB is 28/16/10 my plan is not to raise/fold.
July 3, 2010
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To rep a hand and take it down on the flop against the broadways in his range that 3 bet. You invest the same here as you would c/c'ing 2 streets except here you're the aggressor and your line looks really strong rather than just crossing your fingers hoping to be good.
There are a bunch of different flops and different ways you'll play them but voluntarily getting involved in a 3 bet pot out of position is something I try to avoid.
It can end up being a very costly guessing game if your hand goes unimproved.
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