I’m not sure how wide my value range is here ,  I guess it would be something like 55/99/JJ/J9 JQ/KJ/AJ i’m not sure if i’m shoving JT/J8 and also not sure about A9,  might be rather thin with A9 or K9s?  however v may call with weaker 9x which is in their range and we do beat that.

This is not a good hand to shove river i agree.

with those strong hands JJ/99/55 , i’d bet around $450-$550 , pot would be then $2200 ott V has $3330 behind so i may over shove turn or bet flop bet turn and shove river line? is their much of a difference on how we get our money in here? reason being is if i had a hand like say KT yeah , i’d want to shove turn to get as much fold equity as i can, rather then bet flop bet turn and shove river. Stacks are shallow here we are 21bb effective , if we were deeper i’d prefer the triple barrel. I must say though if v calls turn when we bet KT , its very unlikely they have Jx since they would of probably would have c/s turn,  so what im trying to say is that maybe we can bet flop and turn with our bluff range (profitably) and then shove river as v will likely fold the weak part of their range otr. 

indeed when we shove river with our value hands we are not very likely to be called since v range is weak but players at these stakes they tend to call often with their medium strength hands or even weak hands. I’d say betting 1/3 of the pot here with your monsters will be fine since you think v does not have much to call with so that would mean with your bluff range you’d have to make it around that 1/3 of the pot as well. It’s just that with weaker players they don’t fold that so wouldn’t you much prefer  shoving with both your value and bluff range in this spot?  even so v range is weak.

while you need to balance most aspects of your poker game most players will rarely see you make a river bet because most hands are over well before the river because of this balancing your bet sizing isn’t that important against weaker players. These players are weak so maybe i should not balance in this spot , i should probably just bet 1/3 of the pot with my value range and shove with my bluff range. It’ don’t really matter does it?

You’re also right that i’m not checking back AJ or an over pair. I may check back JT/J8s OTT and if v checks river , what would you do ? personally i’d probably check behind Ingame and take the SDV with JT/J8s , but i reckon shoving cant be terrible as a big chunk of their range consist of very weak hands which includes 9x and and maybe even weaker Jx then J8..

the question is how often is v calling with a hand you are ahead of? if its more then 50% of the time then its profitable. It’s just that making these thin value bets/shoves in tournies make increase variance , so maybe we should shy away from it. If we were going to shy away from it we’d be losing money though , so i guess we shouldn’t lol.