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5 bet bluff against competent aggro
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April 4, 2012 - 7:09 pm
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ITM in the big 55, 20ish/250ish remaining

villain is 57/43 over 7 hands on table, basically running over table.

I also assume he knows that someone wil play back at him, so 4bet has a good possibility of being light, 

I 5bet intending to fold to shove and shove on non horrible flops if called.

I feel my line looks really strong here, what do you think his calling range is?

 

Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t500/t1000 Blinds + t125 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

TRiggA_miK3 (MP2): BB = 60.3, t60256
riddimz (CO): BB = 37.0, t37016
Fixsie (BTN): BB = 9.3, t9339
pasha1980x (SB): BB = 92.6, t92592
Hero (BB): BB = 44.4, t44364
akaSanti (UTG): BB = 20.3, t20318
Dr. Al-Fahim (UTG+1): BB = 49.0, t48992
B_midget (UTG+2): BB = 20.0, t20036
Thys323 (MP1): BB = 33.4, t33390

Pre Flop: (t2625) Hero is BB with 7 of diamonds 9 of clubs
4 folds, TRiggA_miK3 raises to t2000, 3 folds, Hero raises to t4600, TRiggA_miK3 raises to t9200,Hero raises to t14000, TRiggA_miK3 calls t4800

Flop: (t29625) T of clubs 5 of clubs Q of spades (2 players)
Hero bets t30239 all in, 

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April 5, 2012 - 3:24 pm
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I think since they are trying to run over the table it seems, that your 3bet size OOP here is way to small (unless you want to play a bloated pot OOP).  Someone who is trying to run over the table isn't just gonna fold IP to a min 3bet from the blinds, especially considering they have to expect to get played back at (like you said).

 

Then it ofc becomes a clickback war because of sizing… Bigger 3bet will reduce the % you are 4bet. Also, with your hand and current position in the tourney I don't think its necessary to promote this type of action against another big stack.  I'm sure there were other opponents you could exploit at this table…

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April 6, 2012 - 7:29 am
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i disagree with your first statement, when someone is running over the table we absolutely have to take a stand or make a play, he is essentially constraining our ability to win pots off the others by being involved in so many pots. if we can own him we gain alot of chips/sometimes cause him to subsequently spew/gives us alot of credit.

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April 6, 2012 - 9:39 am
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to me this looks spewy, i understand that you wanna take a stand against this guy. but oop with 79o – not optimal imo

if you have history with that guy its something different, but if you only have 7 hands(or is it a typo?) on him i would never try sth like this – but im a nit 😉

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April 6, 2012 - 12:22 pm
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badabing78 said:

to me this looks spewy, i understand that you wanna take a stand against this guy. but oop with 79o – not optimal imo

if you have history with that guy its something different, but if you only have 7 hands(or is it a typo?) on him i would never try sth like this – but im a nit 😉

Ya, I'm not sure 7 hands is a big enough sample size to define him as running over the table yet.  He may have just picked up a few big hands in a row.  I think your line does scream strength but I don't think hes necessarily running an elaborate bluff here either.

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April 6, 2012 - 2:02 pm
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duggs said:

i disagree with your first statement, when someone is running over the table we absolutely have to take a stand or make a play, he is essentially constraining our ability to win pots off the others by being involved in so many pots. if we can own him we gain alot of chips/sometimes cause him to subsequently spew/gives us alot of credit.

If you are directing at me, then I never said to let them run over… I support taking a stand/making a play, but the sizing isn't big enough imo.

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April 8, 2012 - 10:29 am
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thanks for the feedback guys, i do think he has to have a pretty narrow calling range on the flop. 

it was only 7 hands he had been on the table, but he had 3bet a late position open once and raised first in 3/3, i was pretty confident he was opening wide, and should have a reasonable 4bet/fold range

i dont usually get so far out of line like this but im trying to open up my 4/5 bet game a bit as i feel im becoming quite exploitable by having a wide and light 3bet range and a hugely narrow and unbalanced 4/5 bet ranges

 

also would you prefer a 5bet shove or 5bet as played?

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