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April 26, 2013
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Hey TPE,
I'd realy like to see some analysis of this situation I found myself in a few days ago. It kept me rethinking again and again and I am still not sure if I made a mistake or not.
The situation is as follows:
We are sitting 6-handed at the FT bubble, 11 players left, 11th gets about $110, 1st gets $2.6k.
My stack is pretty decent, my position is 4/11, avg. stack is 450'000, I have 650'000 in chips with the blinds 1.2k/10k/20k.
I sit in the BB and get dealt Q
Q
. The shortie pushes his 160'000k stack from the CO. He is a reg, though on the tighter side, I am sure he has a wide range, because he was probably 10/11 or 11/11 at the time. I guess he's shoving at least 55+/A8s+/ATo+. Now the bigstack with 850'000 chips sits in the SB. He was pretty active but never went out of line too much. Definity a capable reg, but I don't have too much info on him.
Well, the SB-guy just flats for a little less of quarter of his chips!
I didn't think very long and shoved. Now I thought he might call that with all pairs 99+ and probably AJs/AQo+, although I am not sure at all.
What are your thoughts? Would you just flat as well and play in position or do you consider shoving my Queens as the right play? I mean I had a decent stack but I wasn't deepstacked, my tourney M was around 15, next blind level it would have been around 12. Any other suggestions? What would you put him on and what do you think is the optimal play? Thanks for your input!
August 16, 2013
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I'm shipping this without a second thought. Folding isn't an option, and if you flat you're leaving yourself one pot-sized bet behind – there's no real room for post-flop play at that depth so your position doesn't really have much value. Sure, the SB's range isn't capped, so some of the time he'll show up with AA and KK, but just because someone might show up with the hand(s) at the top of their range doesn't mean that it's a mistake to get it in against a range you know is considerably wider than. If his calling range vs your shove is TT-AA, AQ+ (which is pretty tight) then there are more combos of hands that you're crushing (TT, JJ, AQ) than there are of hands that are crushing you (KK, AA). If his calling range is even wider than that, that just makes your shove all the more profitable.
August 21, 2012
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I would lean towards taking this spot given our stack size. I don’t think we should be taking it without a second thought as it’s a pretty important decision given the implications around busting. Take a second range our villain and make the move. I agree with most of the above post.
April 26, 2013
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So, basically, given stacksizes we don't love a shove but don't really have an other option? Any other ideas/opinions?
As already mentioned I did shove and even hit my 3rd queen on the turn. I'll let you know what the bigstack had, soon. Just curious if there is any other solution I am unaware of.
January 28, 2013
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Shoving is never bad. Jamie Gold would say you have a top-top (of your range). If you KNOW he definitely has AA or KK with at least 99% certainty then fold. Otherwise, get this in easily and with fore-arm spasms from fistpumping the roof. We are never folding here unles he has turned over his cards here or he is the tighetest mother of all mother of dragons. We cannot fold this, calling is almost as bad so put it in and enjoy. Some sickos here will even fold to your shove when they have you pegged nicely into ‘your-game-hole’
From your wording you sucked out on his overpair?
April 26, 2013
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Of course I didn't know that he would have AA or KK with at least 99% certainty. 😉 But when he turned over his KK, I was sure I should have known that this was a trap-call from a pro. Pretty sure it was only because of the FT-bubble situation that I overthought this.
And nah, I didn't suck out on him. That set of queens on the turn wasn't worth too much as he spiked his 3rd king on the flop before. Out for 10th felt really horrible, despite the bigstack there were only 2 other good regs left and I felt like had a good edge against most, so I was pretty disappointed in not finishing at least top4.
The shortstack-reg-nit turned over AJo btw.
Thanks for the feedback, guys!
January 28, 2013
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Not much you can do except put it down to a cooler and move on. You have to be absolutely certain to fold that and even then the ladies are so pretty i think it would be ultra hard. GG sir
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December 30, 2013
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yeah 100% agree with shoving. its 6 handed and you have 33bb. i would definitely feel more comfortable if the SB shoved over to iso (in which case we are snap calling), but i do not think you made a mistake here.
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