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5$ 2R1A- AKo-whats your line?
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May 10, 2011 - 7:03 am
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Maybe bet(40k) on flop/shoving turn is better considering that he could check back turn that would suck monkeyballs…

What would you do here?

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t2500/t5000 Blinds + t625 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

SB: BB = 19.5, t97583
Hero (BB): BB = 37.3, t186549
UTG: BB = 46.5, t232577
UTG+1: BB = 6.7, t33459
UTG+2: BB = 41.8, t209144
MP1: BB = 11.3, t56711
MP2: BB = 44.8, t224034
CO: BB = 45.6, t227970
BTN: BB = 38.2, t191238

Pre Flop: (t13125) Hero is BB with K of hearts A of clubs
5 folds, CO raises to t11500, 2 folds, Hero raises to t29600, CO calls t18100

Flop: (t67325) 3 of clubs 4 of hearts 2 of hearts (2 players)
Hero bets t20000, CO calls t20000

Turn: (t107325) 9 of diamonds (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t42000, Hero raises to t136324 all in, CO folds

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May 10, 2011 - 7:35 am
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 I'd love to hear some pros opinions on this one. After reading the results it makes me think the way I would play this would lose me alot of value, but still the rr allin on the turn just seems major risky unless I knew the player was really aggresive and had been betting like this all day.

 I would have bet the turn, but I would have bet 1st and about 48 to 50k, the problem i'm seeing with my idea is that if he comes over the top now i'd proably be folding and lost my chips instead of stack building like you did. At the same time tho I wouldn't be risking my whole tournament and would have the chance of him folding to my 48k.

  Maybe the check  rr on the flop would give all the info you need on the hand? without risking your whole stack. If you checked he R'es to 20 to 30k and you rr to 60 to 70k, which would be a similar strong move as the turn but risking less. The only real problem here would be if he had 55 to 88  and was willing to call the flop but not the turn when an over appears.

 Complicated hand and you had a very nice result, but I wouldn't risk my tourney with A high.

Hope this helps and i'd love to see some answers to this one 🙂

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May 10, 2011 - 7:50 am
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V interested in what reads / history you may have here….

 

I really like the play here thou – if he was strong wouldnt he raise flop?  Most likely he has strong A,  or 55-88, but if you bet turn I cant see him being that scared of one overcard and will probs just call.  However your flop (small) lead and v strong check raise reps an overpair (better than his?) or set….

 

Standard for em would be to bet just under half pot on flop, and check fold turn – so I much prefer your play here!  Need more aggro to my game!

 

nh wp sir

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May 10, 2011 - 10:07 am
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I think the turn shove is a little agro… and as Third says you are risking your tourney life, stone cold. I think a check raise on the flop would be better because it costs less and looks strong as well.

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May 10, 2011 - 4:11 pm
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My problem with c/r-ing flop is that he might check behind, and I don't want that. I didn't have any specific reads, but he seemed a bit on the aggro side and his turn bet defo feels like that he is trying to take the pot away, cause of my small pot lead and check on the turn- on this level it is the correct play most of the time cause ppl generally cbet flop and just give up on the turn.

Another line I thought about is just betting 40k on flop and jamming the turn. This is defo a lil bit more raw, lumberjackish method…

 

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May 10, 2011 - 10:38 pm
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ok size on 3b pre. I would have bet a bit bigger on the flop, in a 5$ mtt especially. Like 35-36k.

Then barrel the turn every time instead of C/R. Think its spewy to CR turn even if your almost sure that he's floating. If he is floating then a turn barrel takes care of it and you win plenty enough risking min. CR will obv make your more if he has nothing but your not gonna fold out much if he does have something like a small pair and you go broke every time. Rather see barrel barrel barrel no mather turn or river(almost always).

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May 10, 2011 - 11:52 pm
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MrMangoTango said:

ok size on 3b pre. I would have bet a bit bigger on the flop, in a 5$ mtt especially. Like 35-36k.

Then barrel the turn every time instead of C/R. Think its spewy to CR turn even if your almost sure that he's floating. If he is floating then a turn barrel takes care of it and you win plenty enough risking min. CR will obv make your more if he has nothing but your not gonna fold out much if he does have something like a small pair and you go broke every time. Rather see barrel barrel barrel no mather turn or river(almost always).

pretty much exactly this. 
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May 11, 2011 - 11:35 am
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MrMangoTango said:

ok size on 3b pre. I would have bet a bit bigger on the flop, in a 5$ mtt especially. Like 35-36k.

Then barrel the turn every time instead of C/R. Think its spewy to CR turn even if your almost sure that he's floating. If he is floating then a turn barrel takes care of it and you win plenty enough risking min. CR will obv make your more if he has nothing but your not gonna fold out much if he does have something like a small pair and you go broke every time. Rather see barrel barrel barrel no mather turn or river(almost always).

My way of thinking as well. As we're hardly evr getting folds when guy has 55-88 or even TT. Indeed this is a very strong line, but villian wont be reading ur play, he'll just know that his 88 are winning on flop and maybe turn. Vs thinking player I think this works good %. Still nice pick up tho:)

I was thinking bet size of about 37k – 45k on flop tho.

 

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May 11, 2011 - 12:04 pm
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reads and history are really important, as readless i don't really like your play on flop or turn.

 

it's going to be fine against certain opponents and with certain history, but readless i'd bet more on the flop. with your sizing on the flop i'd just continue to bet on the turn as with that tiny cbet his calling range is probably going to be just about his entire PF range

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May 12, 2011 - 6:08 am
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i grinned at your line here

i agree that this is very read dependent, and given that you are a TPE member, you are probably very capable at reading game flow and dynamic to the point of pulling something like this off

Personally i have done the same thing once maybe twice but only after being a member here, guess thats why i like it

Seems pretty well to 3 barrel like the other guys state though

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