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4betting JTo, flopping trips
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March 30, 2015 - 10:06 am
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Another hand from yesterday: Villain is an aggro regular he is playing 25 23 13, this is THE LAST HAND OF THE DAY, it's 3,30am and we all want to go sleep…

I think given all these reasons I elected to 4bet, what do you think about this hand candidate ? what about the size ? is it too small given the stacks ?  

 

I know it sounds weird but what's the best line to get max value out of this hand? I'm asking becasue i dont think a simple bet bet shove will work here…let's talk about ranges:
When he flats the 4 bet i immediately think about a monster TT QQ KK AA and AQ AK not much else imo: he is not 3betting pp nor T9s/Qjs he might have Ajs…

and given this range i dont think he can call off with much if we do bet bet shove, i mean even if the A doesnt come otr i dont think he would call off with QQ…I mean on this type of flop in a 4bet pot vs a bet bet shove imo your are not beating much with QQ…that's why i considered this a 2 street hand and i tried to keep my percived range “as wide” as possible 

 

P.S. on the river while he was tanking it occurred to me that if he had shoved this becomes a easy fold right ?

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I like checking turn with the intention of jamming most rivers if he checks back. Don't like doing that on an A or K, though. You say you consider this a 2-street hand; what would be an example of a 3-street hand?

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I am never folding to a river shove here.  If you are going to play JT this way and you hit the lotto, what are you putting him on that you fold to?  Jx?  that would have to be the case J and willing to call a 4 bet.  Not sure if AJ does that here.  AA?  I know you are DEEP but why would he not 5 bet pre and also later not bet the checked turn?  (that's awfully tricky isnt it?) 

 

I would like to hear more from Foucault on why he would NOT jam on the Ace?  I want to know what nuance I am missing there. 

Could you also just jam the turn?  Its about 1.28x pot.

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ltcolumbo said:

I am never folding to a river shove here.  If you are going to play JT this way and you hit the lotto, what are you putting him on that you fold to?  Jx?  that would have to be the case J and willing to call a 4 bet.  Not sure if AJ does that here.  AA?  I know you are DEEP but why would he not 5 bet pre and also later not bet the checked turn?  (that's awfully tricky isnt it?) 

 

I would like to hear more from Foucault on why he would NOT jam on the Ace?  I want to know what nuance I am missing there. 

Could you also just jam the turn?  Its about 1.28x pot.

Your range is too strong on an A river. When your opponent calls the shove on a blank, he is hoping to see AK/AQ. When you shove an A, you just don't have enough bluffs available to you to give your opponent any incentive to call.

To rephrase your question “what are you putting him on that you fold to?”, what are you putting him on that you beat? As played, what is the hand that checks back turn and then shoves over your river bet that is weaker than JT?

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Foucault said:

I like checking turn with the intention of jamming most rivers if he checks back. Don't like doing that on an A or K, though. You say you consider this a 2-street hand; what would be an example of a 3-street hand?

would you jam otr with AK in this spot (im assuming you play it the same way pf and otf and ott) ? or we dont need to balance it given how rare this spot is ?

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Riar said:

Foucault said:

I like checking turn with the intention of jamming most rivers if he checks back. Don't like doing that on an A or K, though. You say you consider this a 2-street hand; what would be an example of a 3-street hand?

would you jam otr with AK in this spot (im assuming you play it the same way pf and otf and ott) ? or we dont need to balance it given how rare this spot is ?

Balance isn't about how often the situation comes up, it's about how well you can predict your opponent's response. Yes, I do think jamming a few combos of AK (all of them will result in overbluffing) is good if you don't expect him to call overly wide.

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