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The title should’ve been: “5bet shove or call?”
This is the 1st hand this guy plays after just folding 15 hands.
Maybe I was good all along, but I was worried about 5bet shoving into AA-KK, so I just called. Is my preflop bet sizing ok.
Merge – $10+$1.00| NL – Holdem – 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
CO: 13,455.00
BTN: 12,871.00
Hero (SB): 11,550.00
BB: 13,352.00
UTG: 10,736.00
UTG+1: 9,294.00
MP: 2,575.00
MP+1: 6,234.00
CO posts ante 25.00, BTN posts ante 25.00, Hero posts ante 25.00, BB posts ante 25.00, UTG posts ante 25.00, UTG+1 posts ante 25.00, MP posts ante 25.00, MP+1 posts ante 25.00, Hero posts SB 125.00, BB posts BB 250.00
Pre Flop: (575.00) Hero has Q
Q
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, [color=red]BTN raises to 500.00[/color], [color=red]Hero raises to 1,250.00[/color], fold, [color=red]BTN raises to 2,250.00[/color], Hero calls 1,000.00
Flop: (4950.00, 2 players) T 7 4
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: (4950.00, 2 players) 2
[color=red]Hero bets 2,950.00[/color], [color=red]BTN raises to 10,596.00 and is all-in[/color], Hero calls 6,325.00 and is all-in
River: (23500.00, 2 players) T
[spoil]BTN shows T K (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 32%, Flop 19%, Turn 11%)
Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Tens) (Pre 68%, Flop 81%, Turn 89%)
BTN wins 23,500.00
[/spoil]
You can watch my whole hand history for this session here …..72/replay/
I was doing well, was aprox 6/42 and that ish happens.
I personally 5 bet get it in here IMO. If you are coolered nh to the villain. The reason for it is exactly what happened on the flop. You are still way ahead or way behind and guessing post. With the way played it was ul on the river but if we 5 bet jam pre, he probably folds.
Bet sizing pre is OK as is the 3 bet, you want action here and AA-KK is pretty unlikely.
Actually don’t mind a 5bet shove either, although I would probably just flat the 3bet as well.
His flop bet is a pretty terrible 40bb overshove.
I can’t imagine he would do that with AA-KK or even a set. I’m not folding QQ on that flop.
Only way I fold is if I have a solid read that he is super tight.
Overall think you read him pretty well, just an unfortunate 2 outer on the river.
You got it in good, just ul.
I’m certainly 5betting here. He will often call with dominated hands, and a flop which contains an A or K can either:
a) bust our stack
b) get us to fold the best hand
c) kill our action when he’s got 88-JJ.
Flatting QQ in postition is much more appealling.
July 3, 2010
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I’m certainly 5betting here. He will often call with dominated hands, and a flop which contains an A or K can either:
a) bust our stack
b) get us to fold the best hand
c) kill our action when he’s got 88-JJ.
Flatting QQ in postition is much more appealling.
I like this reply a lot.
5bet shipping all day long, not a fan of calling 4bets out of position at all in any scenario. I don’t think it’s particularly close.
I’m never not 5b shipping in this spot OOP with these stack sizes. I don’t like your thinking of “I was worried about 5b shoving into AA-KK.” Villain should be opening button very wide and I’m sure he’s more than capable of 4b light. If he has AA-KK then it’s an obv cooler. Get it in pre.
I don’t understand why we think villain is 4betting light in an $11 mtt. I learn toward flatting because players 4b value ranges tend to be really tight at this level. Nobody else feels this way?
The fact it’s an $11 MTT is irrelevant. Lots of people fall into the trap of thinking “no-one does X at this level”, but the fact is, we’re playing this level and we’re capable of 4-betting light (or at least we should be) so it makes sense that there would be others in the tournament for whom the same is true.
Besides, villain was 4-betting light in the hand as it turned out, so he obviously was capable of it even if he might not necessarily have been doing it in this hand. It’s not even results-oriented to say that.
I’m certainly 5betting here. He will often call with dominated hands, and a flop which contains an A or K can either:a) bust our stackb) get us to fold the best handc) kill our action when he’s got 88-JJ.Flatting QQ in postition is much more appealling.
^^This
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