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45s in a 3bet pot, line checks all around
jacobsharktank
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September 14, 2016 - 9:22 am
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Recreational Player’s Homegame $32.50 buy-in 12 total.

20/75/150 5 handed
utg (3500) limps 150
co (6200) limps 150
btn (18,000) raises to 675
sb, me (10,000) reraises to 1800 with 4c5c
bb (20,000) folds
folds, btn calls.

I’m assuming limps snap muck because they’re playing pretty snug, not likely theyll limp get it in this action with lke 88 or AT. btn is isolating wide here in my opinion, but i dont have reads on that. bb may 4b bluff me with A5o type hands but its not that often

 

(4225) 7c 9d 4s 

check, check

I think he has AA/KK sometimes, AQ+ sometimes, then because i dont actually know how this guy reacts to 3bets, i assume he can have a lot of random suited stuff. like Q8s K9s stuff that should fold but gets like 3-1 and decides to gambol. 

(4225) 7c 9d 4s 4d

check, BTN bets 1500. I call.

my range for him is basically the same but instead now maybe like 2 combos of 99 in addition to that

 

(7225) 7c 9d 4s 4d 5d

check, BTN tanks for 30 seconds, bets 3575. I call.

Because I think villain’s range is only a couple of A4s combos, 99, and then all that air, I don’t know if I could feasibly raise this for value. My friend said he would and after discussing it, he still would, but I want more thoughts. I don’t think AA plays this way, but maybe it does. If it does, then a shove all day because that’s another 2 combos minimum, meaning we now have a value hands range consisting of more hands we beat than beat us, as well as the air.

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I repopped this Jacob…extremely discourteous to get zero responses! I haven’t got time to look at it now…but we absolutely cannot have a thread with zero replies!

Who the hell am I? I am not a mod! But I know what it feels like to have a neglected thread..cry

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I’m thinking he had a smaller pocket pair of some sort, maybe 6’s or 8’s. if had landed a set I would think he would play it slow until the river hoping u catch something. I think its pretty obvious he thought u were on a flush draw when the second diamond came out on the turn and her put a bet down, even though that’s not a very big bet to try and take someone off a flush draw. but after you checked the river he thought you had like AK or AQ. so he prolly figured he had the best hand at that point.

what did he have? did he muck his hand?

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This hand got beat to death on this week’s episode of Heads Up Poker Podcast.

…..trategy/ 

 

Villain almost certainly believed I had AK. They showed up with AQ! As played, they should be checking it down right? Preflop, they’re so high up in what their range is supposed to be that if they’re calling here, I’m literally 3betting anything connected. They’ll just lose too many postflop spots.

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I would of just folded pre flop. 54s isn’t the kind of hand you want to risk playing with such a low SPR and being OOP doesn’t help.

But as played, with a SPR under 3 I would be trying to get it all in after hitting trips on the turn. I think checking the flop is fine because I don’t think raising is going to fold out any hands that would call your pre flop raise. I would almost always bet the turn. How much depends on the villain. I would bet around 1250 if I thought they could reraise my turn bet or float and raise the river if i checked because my turn bet looked like a delayed c-bet and i gave up on the hand. Against most players I would make it around 2000 and shove my 6000 into the 8000 pot. 

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jgripp –

 

If you know that the villain flats 3bets with hands as strong as AQo, why don’t you want to play more 3b pots? Personally, I think it would be too difficult to defend with those kinds of nonpair hands on the flop with a low SPR, making it easier to barrel off on the turn. What kind of hands do you want in your 3bet range when the SPR is low? I like the idea of suited connectors because you have a lot of equity when called preflop, and it’s easy to find enough turn cards to shove on. 

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I think pre a fun spot. Without a history most people aren’t going to raise this bet here with less than AK+ QQ+ so you’re getting a lot of folds/flats pre. Post flop it is kind of a small spr here and puts you in a weird spot. I’m not sure if I like the check or just cbetting to continue the bluff. Guess that depends on villains tendencies with each action. What were your intentions if he bet flop and what was his normal sizing if he did? On the turn I think it can go either way but going off what happened it’s obvious vs this opponent that checking is a little better. You say AA/KK are still in his range but also 99 now which mean TT/JJ also. With the second diamond on the turn raising seems like a good option to get more value from the overpairs and protect your hand from a diamond river that can cost you value or lose you the pot. With the air still in his range and it being less likely that he has a big over pair I think the check is ok too though. On the river you don’t mention that the 5 puts a flush on the board which gives us a lot more value hands that we beat. I like the check but I can’t see a good reason not to raise here. Going to try to get back into posting again, been a long time and i’m back on the grind so I hope to see you all more smile

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Im not against 3betting suited connectors. I used to play a lot of 6max pre black friday, so 3 betting was something you had to learn. I just don’t like the idea of 3betting small suited connectors when your starting the hand with 66bb and then all of a sudden seeing the flop with a SPR that low OOP. I wouldn’t hate it if you did it with 89s or 910s. Better chance of hitting top pair or stronger semi bluffing hands to double barrel with and still have some equity. But the limpers and button might be blocking a lot of the cards that you needed.

Originally reading the hand I put the villain on AA, KK, AQ, AJ and maybe KQs. Planning on Trapping with AA and KK, especially checking back the flop hoping to let you catch up. Then hoping to hit the flop and getting it in with the others since the pot is so large. He would probably shove 99-QQ and AK pre. If he is flatting anything else I would guess he is a bad player since he’s getting like 8-1 implied odds on set mining and all other hands are trash against the range you are representing. Thats why I wouldn’t be afraid of 99 or 77 in his range and licking my chops hoping he has AA or KK to double up against.

It could very well be a +EV move, he is probably folding 75% of his hands pre flop to your bet so thats about 900 more chips, assuming the bb doesn’t wake up with something or the limpers weren’t trapping. Post flop you are around 35% equity against his flatting range on a run out of cards. But its hard to realize it when you flop bottom pair and he happens to just hold to overs and is capable of just flatting or putting pressure on you by reraising the flop.

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