Home
(0 votes) 
May 31, 2012
Offline
Local casino. A 450$ tournament. You start with 20k stack
The first levels are:
25/25
25/50
75/150
100/200 ante
the level is now 100/200+25. I haveplayed like 1 or 2 hands in the first 2 and a half hour. The table have some pros but mostly weaker players. My reputation is tight since i havent played any pots.
Its 8 handed. 55 players now, 65 started. 8 places paid.
In this hand the utg+1 makes it 500 with a 10k stack. I look down at Q10s in middle poss and i make it 1200 with a 20k stack. I raise here because i think i will get a lot of respect. I can stab at alot of pots since i think most players think i really tight. And since the antes kicked in its time to make something happen.
The player in HJ coldcalls the 3bet with around 22k stack. He is a bit weaker imo. At early levels he limped hands like J8o under the guy and called 2 barrel in A84ss Q 2s River was checked. He lost to A5.
Another hand he played was like this:
At 50/100 utg (fish( made it 450 utg) 1 players goes allin for 450 (so he is calling himself allin). This player calls in BB with 34s. J25ss (not his flushdraw) the fish bets like 700 and he now makes it 4500. The fish folded and the allin players have J10. A on turn and he wins it.
In the hand i 3bet he called from HJ. ANd the utg+1 called. Q99 I cbet 1800 into around 4200. HJ makes it 4200. I think he can do this with hands like 22-88 to get me to fold hands like AK. Live-players often play like that. He can also (like in the hand i described) have hand like J10. I dont think he fold raise with KQ QJ Q10 or AQ. So for me he has like PP. Some random 9x. Thou i dont tihnk he will call alot of 9x preflop vs my 3bet. Or random bluff. So i call.
Turn is 7. Nothing changes. i Check. He bets 5025 into around 12k. I call with something like 10k behind. What do you think of this?
River is J. I check. He thinks for a while then shoves. I dont think he has J10 now since he got some showdownvalue. Maybe he does it anyway with J10 since he thinks i have something. Probaly he thinks i have AQ/KQ/AA/KK or something like that. What would you have done in this spot? Would you ever have come to this spot? I mean, would you have played it somewhat differnt on some other street?
Live is differnt from online. Online i think i would just have called down here.
I play mostly live so I know very well that anything is possible in low buy-in events. Having said that I don't see him triple barreling bluffing on the fourth level with absolute air.
I think AQ, AA, KK are very much in his range here giving how some live players play and given he's a fish. I see people flatting in a lot of spots like this, I don't think low pairs are as much in the range here. Flatting with a monster, getting scared on a paired board/draws, is not uncommon. Also by your description of the villain I'm not sure I'd give him credit for thinking too much about your hand.
Anyhow as played you were both commited on the flop, it made no sense to think about showdown value as it became clear there wouldn't be a cheap showdown… So if you felt the guy was spewy and you were ahead 4bet shoving the flop would be my option… UTG+1 folded on the flop right?
July 5, 2012
Offline
Numerous questions here.
1) why have you only play 2 hands in 2.5 hours?
2) its a UTG raiser so give him a little credit and prob fold
Pre.
3) your cbet is fine, but after this guy puts in
A big raise on the flop, and you just flat call out of position
You are setting yourself up for disaster.
Once you call that flop raise you have now put in
27 bbs out of position, with really no idea where you are
In the hand.
4) what is your plan on the turn?
5) what turn cards do you expect him to check back?
6) I dont mind the creativity preflop with 100bbs
But after raised on the flop, without a stone cold read
I think Q10 goes into the muck for these reasons
A) too expensive
B))out of position
C)the only cards that improve your hand that
You should be comfortable with are a Q or a 9(4 cards
At most)
D) if you have built up this really tight image, why would
Someone be going this crazy without a hand that beats you?
E) seems like you are creative enough to find a better spot,
In position
May 30, 2012
Offline
First off, I enjoyed what Kingten102 & Lordscanner had to say. Great points……….
I play ALL live tourneys so I understand this spot. First, I wouldn't play the QTs from mp after only playing 2 hands in 2 1/2 hrs. WHY? I know you said you SHOULD get credit, but it appears the “fish” in the HJ didn't believe you, could careless about your hand or has a huge hand. Plus, the UTG guy has a hand poss. BUT………. Ok, you 3bet with it. I'm cool with that (I might do that every now n then). So, three of you see a flop your OOP vs the “fish” & UTG guy. I'm ok with your cbet, maybe a little more would be better for me 2200-2500ish. But, after he 3bets you………. you need to give it up I think. Otherwise, you are just spewing chips away. He's repping something BIG or good, AA-QQ, AQ, KQ, QJ, Q9, 9x, nothing else in my mind. Maybe he's an aggro “Fish” with JT or just bullshit. But you need to NOT get into it here with him and just let the hand go. What if he had KQ, QJ, you're beat and NEED to fold. Nothing wrong with finding the FOLD button. What purpose are you getting by calling the 5200? At this point, he's done nothing but tell you, I have a big hand. Even if he's lying……….. You have top pair with a T kicker………… If he's witnessed you only play two hands in this tourney, he's telling you “LETS PLAY FOR STACKS” Even the “FISH” get hands, play they out and get chips, because players like you (& ME) and others don't want to be outplayed or lose to a “FISH”. I know this because I have been that “fish” in the past and hate to put my ego aside at times when playing a player I deem as a “lesser player, donkey or fish”.
You started the hand with 20k and now have like 10k…………. because you got bored and wanted to NOT just open a pot, but 3bet someone from UTG hoping he/she and the rest of the players yet to act would just let you have it. Pick a better spot …………You're better then not. If you do have players at the tble you think are donks and fish, they will give you chips, just be patient…………………….
May 31, 2012
Offline
Thanks for your input everyone! Its so obvious when you say it.
If i had aces. How would you have played the pot?
June 12, 2012
Offline
Everything is pretty much said in this post, except for the ” What if I had Aces ? ” Any way shape or form, this early in the tournament I am rarely ever stacking off 100 bbs without esentially the nuts. If you woke up with AA here then the main ? would be, could you get away from AA here? You have to sit back and think ” What do I beat? ” that river J could possibly be the worse card in the deck as it makes allot more hands.. JJ it could be right? could be QJ? could be J9? I've seen some pretty funny ways to play hands live, but the best part is that you don't beat much pre flop in a 3 way pot.. instead of C betting flop I think Check Raising looks allot stronger and could be a better way to rep some hands in certain spots. If he comes out and raises to 1500 and you check raise to 4200 and he shoves on you, then you can still fold and save the extra chips.. if bluffed you then big deal right? Now your next three bet you will see what he has when your holding nuts 🙂 GL Buddy! ( PS the one half of this is considering your ? if you had AA )
Most Users Ever Online: 2780
Currently Online:
22 Guest(s)
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
bennymacca: 2616
Foucault: 2067
folding_aces_pre_yo: 1133
praetor: 1033
theginger45: 924
P-aire 146: 832
Turbulence: 768
The Riceman: 731
duggs: 591
florianm1: 588
Newest Members:
Tillery999
sdmathis89
ne0x00
adrianvaida2525
Anteeater
Laggro
Forum Stats:
Groups: 4
Forums: 24
Topics: 12705
Posts: 75003
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1063
Members: 12008
Moderators: 2
Admins: 5
Administrators: RonFezBuddy, Killingbird, Tournament Poker Edge Staff, ttwist, Carlos
Moderators: sitelock, sitelock_1
