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44 against an 8bb shove

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August 14, 2010 - 5:42 pm

Poker Stars $45.05 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t100/t200 Blinds + t40 – 8 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

chegrinta (MP2): BB = 35.1, t7030
pakypiero (CO): BB = 107.9, t21575
MrDDKola (BTN): BB = 38.1, t7629
chicco988 (SB): BB = 11.9, t2374
picchiotorin (BB): BB = 40.2, t8035
DOLL72 (UTG): BB = 35.2, t7045
Oceanis40 (UTG+1): BB = 26.2, t5243
coluccetto (MP1): BB = 8.3, t1662

Pre Flop: (t620) MrDDKola is BTN with 4 of clubs 4 of diamonds
2 folds, coluccetto raises to t1622 all in, 4 folds, picchiotorin calls t1422

Flop: (t3664) 3 of diamonds 9 6 of clubs (2 players – 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3664) K of clubs (2 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t3664) Q of hearts (2 players – 1 is all in)

call or fold? if we call do we 3bet the hand?

Shackleton

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August 16, 2010 - 4:18 pm

Would need to have info on BB (picchio) and small stack (coluccetto) before deciding.

Has coluc been shoving his small stack often? Has picchio a tendency to limp / flat?

Without this info i'm folding but if coluccetto has been limping / flatting, conditions could be good for a squeez.

Def not flatting under any circumstances.

Without a read its a def fold for me.

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August 17, 2010 - 1:27 am

agreed that im folding without some additional info…and maybe still then.

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August 17, 2010 - 2:26 am

ya fold here…flipping at best… losing this chips hurts more than it helps to get them right now.

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August 17, 2010 - 5:18 pm

Don't think I'm ever folding in the later stages when antes are in play. Without them though, you can def. fold no problem. I don't think calling is bad, though. It doesn't really effect your stack either way.

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August 17, 2010 - 5:28 pm

Unless I have a read that the shover is quite tight I think I call here. If he is running tight though I am out of this affair, any hit of loose play and I am all over this blood in the water.

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August 17, 2010 - 5:37 pm

Meh. Prob fold. SB is short and could decide to say F it and stick his 11 bb's in, too.

44 isn't looking so hot against two all-ins at that point.

Agreed it doesn't change the stack much – 38 bb's or 30 bb's and you're playing the same style, but we're up against all better pairs, KQ, medium aces… 44 just doesn't run out well so I fold on the button.

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August 18, 2010 - 9:27 am

I fold this spot. If the bb was as short or shorter than the sb I could rationalize jamming it it.

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August 18, 2010 - 10:27 am

At early stages of the tourny, its a fold for me chips arent so easy come easy go and I think they are more valuable in contrast to when antes are in play.

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August 18, 2010 - 11:13 am

At this stage of a tourny this is a pretty easy fold. If its later on with signifigant antes and blinds the dead money would be enough incentive to iso and flip here. But right here in this spot its a pretty easy fold.

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