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I checked the flop planning on check raising all in to a bet. The action behind me completely threw me. UTG is 24/18/1.7 over 160 hands and seems kind of weak post flop. CO is 11/6/1.6 and is a solid winning reg in these 4/180's. I am curious to hear some thoughts on the hand. Should I have done anything differently preflop? What considerations should I be making with the overbet and overshove in front of me after the flop?
Poker Stars $4.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t500/t1000 Blinds + t100 – 5 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
SB: BB = 10.1, t10075, M = 5.04
shangobango (BB): BB = 16.0, t16026, M = 8.01
UTG: BB = 12.4, t12430, M = 6.21
CO: BB = 32.4, t32386, M = 16.19
BTN: BB = 51.7, t51681, M = 25.84
Pre Flop: (t2000) shangobango is BB with 9
J
UTG calls t1000, CO calls t1000, 1 fold, SB calls t500, BB checks
Flop: (t4500) J
T
8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets t11330 all in, CO raises to t22660
Shangobango??
This would be a fold for me after CO shoves over the UTG.The UTG likely has big pocket pair he slow played and CO looks like he has monster or better draw than you.GL
parttime said:
This would be a fold for me after CO shoves over the UTG.The UTG likely has big pocket pair he slow played and CO looks like he has monster or better draw than you.GL
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its not a super easy fold but you have to its looks as if the 2nd jammer is there already with Q9 or Q10hh and that limp at this point of the tourney scares me aswel
With a board this drawy it is pretty near impossible to put either player on anything specific, as AQ, AJ, KQ, QJ, JT, QT, Q9, 99 etc. etc. etc. plus slow-played big pairs, sets, and so forth can all be either players range. UTG's all-in could be any of these, the re-raise could also be any of these looking to iso. In a best-case scenario you might be winning here, at the moment, and your draw might be live, but that's just so many damn ifs that you should just let it go and wait for a better spot. You are certainly short and looking to gamble soon, but I think you're hoping you have 8 outs here and it could easily be less.
v easy fold with this action infront of you, if they did both have worse i would still argue anything but folding here is -ev
July 3, 2010
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Not liking a lot of hand ranges being mentioned – people think AQ, KQ, 99 and some of the other bigger hands being listed are just getting limped by either UTG or CO giving the blinds a chance to see a cheap/free flop? Can't see this happening often enough to be a factor.
That said, CO could have Ax of hearts with a lower kicker, JT, 9Ts …
I think it's a fold with ICM considerations and a 10 bb stack at the table.
Meh… I'm also tempted to gamble here. It's not like either of them think you've got a hand like this.
FkCoolers said:
Meh… I'm also tempted to gamble here.
Me too.
I did end up folding this.Utg showed up with AdAc and Co showed up with Th9h. At the time I kinda felt as if I made a marginal laydown but once I ran the hand through pokerstove I realized it was the right play with about 2 to 1 pot odds and only 19.15% equity.
tough spot but i'm finding the fold button here more often that not.
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shangobango said:
I did end up folding this.Utg showed up with AdAc and Co showed up with Th9h. At the time I kinda felt as if I made a marginal laydown but once I ran the hand through pokerstove I realized it was the right play with about 2 to 1 pot odds and only 19.15% equity.
19.5% equity vs their ranges or what they turned over?
What they turned over. I had a hell of a time putting them on ranges at the time which is a big reason I chose to lay it down. I would have probably called the UTG shove but when CO shoved behind him it just seemed strong to me. Is the shove from UTG here almost always a strong hand trying to price out draws?
FkCoolers said:
Meh… I'm also tempted to gamble here. It's not like either of them think you've got a hand like this.
FkCoolers said:
Meh… I'm also tempted to gamble here. It's not like either of them think you've got a hand like this.
Yea I started thinking about this hand again. The more I play with it in pokerstove the more I think it is pretty close.
MattyDaCobra said:
With a board this drawy it is pretty near impossible to put either player on anything specific, as AQ, AJ, KQ, QJ, JT, QT, Q9, 99 etc. etc. etc. plus slow-played big pairs, sets, and so forth can all be either players range. UTG's all-in could be any of these, the re-raise could also be any of these looking to iso. In a best-case scenario you might be winning here, at the moment, and your draw might be live, but that's just so many damn ifs that you should just let it go and wait for a better spot. You are certainly short and looking to gamble soon, but I think you're hoping you have 8 outs here and it could easily be less.
nice read, +1
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