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February 18, 2013
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Trying to play more aggressively, seem to swing from too tight to too loose and find it hard to keep to the middle ground. Below are 4 hands from different tournies I played tonight, all ranging $3 to $6 buy-ins, I will post a street at a time and would be interested to hear your thoughts!
Hand 1 Raptor $3.30 buy-in 1 hour into tourney Ante $10 Blinds 50/100 Villain is 75/0 for 4 hands so limped once from the blinds and twice from late position before limping this hand. We both have 40-45 BBs.
CO: 3,000.00
BTN: 4,369.00
SB: 8,280.00
BB: 11,900.00
Hero (UTG): 4,220.00
UTG+1: 4,420.00
MP: 3,000.00
Villain: 4,594.00
LP: 3,470.00
Pre Flop:(240.00) Hero has 9
A
Hero raises to 300.00 Villain calls 300.00 BB calls 200.00
Pot is now 1040.00, 3 players. Flop is A
5
K
BB checks, what's your play?
Hand 2 Pstars $3.3 R/A 2hr15 into tournament Ante $25 Blinds 150/300 Villain is 24/16 for 37 hands . I have approx 30BBs to his 50BBs.
cs'k70 (MP2): BB = 35.0, t10495
Master Schu (CO): BB = 54.9, t16459
PAAD72 (BTN): BB = 12.3, t3690
Raketer (SB): BB = 18.7, t5600
Gonzalez259 (BB): BB = 33.2, t9965
Hero (UTG): BB = 34.6, t10390
krashinsky (UTG+1): BB = 14.6, t4375
Strongjs (UTG+2): BB = 16.3, t4895
Villain (MP1): BB = 52.4, t15725
Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is UTG with A
Q
Hero raises to t777, 2 folds, Villain calls t777, 5 folds
Flop: (t2229) K
2 Q
(2 players)
Action on hero, what's your play?
Hand 3 Pstars $3.3 R/A 1hr45 into tournament No Ante Blinds 100/200 Villain is 18/8 for 83 hands . I have approx 40BBs to his 25BBs.
cs'k70 (UTG+2): t6620 33.10 BBs
Villain (MP1): t5235 26.18 BBs
PAAD72 (MP2): t12410 62.05 BBs
Raketer (CO): t6470 32.35 BBs
Gonzalez259 (BTN): t11620 58.10 BBs
Hero (SB): t8295 41.48 BBs
krashinsky (BB): t4425 22.12 BBs
Strongjs (UTG): t5020 25.10 BBs
KosFriend (UTG+1): t225 1.12 BBs
Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is SB with K 5
3 folds, Villian calls t200, 3 folds, Hero calls t100, krashinsky checks
Flop: (t600) A 9 Q (3 players)
What's your play?
Hand 4 Pstars $2.2 6-max 1.5hrs into tournament No Ante Blinds 100/200 Villain is 35/12 for 17 hands . We both have approx 30BBs.
elisa338 (MP): t6865 34.33 BBs
mertix07 (CO): t9595 47.98 BBs
ramirobuchar (BTN): t10510 52.55 BBs
einguck (SB): t2880 14.40 BBs
Hero (BB): t5977 29.89 BBs
Villain(UTG): t6880 34.40 BBs
Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with T K
Villain raises to t400, 3 folds, einguck calls t300, Hero calls t200
Flop: (t1200) J Q J (3 players)
What's your play?
August 31, 2013
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Hand 1: I don't mind a 1/3 pot Cbet but I would probably check to pot control, you never have 3 streets of value here and you are raising UTG so their ranges are pretty tight.
Hand 2: His range for calling UTG+2 vs UTG is pretty tight here, I would say something like AT+, a lot of pairs, KQ, KJs, JQs so I would probably check/call . If the action was LP I would probably Cbet for value as his range would be wider.
Hand 3: fold or raise preflop, don't like the call. Just check/fold flop imo. You can 3 barrel bluff if you want but it's not necessary.
Hand 4: I would check and see what happens. His range is pretty tight for raising UTG (he runs 35/12), something like 88+, AJ+, KQ. If he cbet into 2 people it will probably be for value so 88+, AJ, AQ, maybe AK in semibluff and you only have 23% equity against that on that flop so X/folding seems the best option to me (unless he bets really small)
August 16, 2013
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As a general rule, don't be aggressive just for the sake of being aggressive; be aggressive when it's going to make your opponents make mistakes (by folding or calling with hands they shouldn't). In most of these hands you don't have enough history with the villains to have a good sense of their tendencies so if you overdo it you're just lighting your money on fire.
Hand 1: Fold pre. As played, I don't think you're going to get 3 streets of value ever. You want to keep their air ranges in so check/call flop. If it checks through the plan is to bet most turns and rivers.
Hand 2: C-bet for value. Only Kx hands and sets are ahead and there are very few available combos of those (assuming he raises some or all AK pre), but on a heavy board like this he can float fairly wide with worse 2nd pairs and some draws.
Hand 3: Fold pre. As played, x/f flop, there will be better spots to be aggressive
Hand 4: Check. If villain c bets and the SB folds or flats you can peel. If villain bets and SB raises, fold. If villain checks behind you can lead most turns as a semi-bluff.
March 8, 2013
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Hand 1, I would just fold pre, but as played, I like checking the flop. If you ahead, there aren't really any scare cards besides maybe a K. They will be more likely to call with a king or worse ace on the turn.
Hand 2, I would probably check/call, and re-evaluate the turn.
Hand 3, fold pre. Check/fold flop as played.
Hand 4, check/fold unless you are getting good odds to draw.
June 1, 2012
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Hand 1: Probaly Cbet and check/call turn and check/call river depending on the card. You can get called by a lot of gutshots and Qx and 99s and 88s on the flop. I don't think you can ever get 3 streets of value. Im not folding to a raise on the flop if your foldin A,9 what are you calling with?
Hand 2: I think this an easy check/call with a lot of your one pair type of hands in our range. You can do this with a lot of gutters so your range will be fairly protected from bluffs and it allow you to bluff more effectivly on latter streets as you will have gutters in your range when they do hit. You would also have AK, K,10 KJ, type hands aswell as furthuer protection for your range.
Hand 3: Easy check/fold we are at the bottom of our range here so we can fold easily.
Hand 4: I would put this hand into my check/raise range. We would do this with Jx Qx spades and gutters and we have a lot of real equity and fold equity and our hand will also retain its equity well on the turn in most cases. Futhurmore, we can easilly fold to a shove since we will have so many we can bet/call off which makes our range protected from bluffs. With our range we can also represent so many turn cards and we can also make our hand the times we do call. We can also therefore make a call with AQ from our opponent -EV on the turn since our range will contain just enough stronger hands when we shove the turn and get called.
June 11, 2012
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hand1: check/call or bet 1/3 seems both fine
hand2: think ch/call is optimal here, prob also call one turn if not to big. if turn checked i bet 1/3 river
hands3: level? fold pre. K5o plays terribly bad OOP multiway even with good odds. more to this in jamies last video part2 i guess
hand4: check/call vs no action. fold if action is ahead. might donk bet if there is a heart on the flop and no FD lets say
J
Q
J
cheers
June 11, 2012
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redvulture61 said:
Hand 4: I would put this hand into my check/raise range. We would do this with Jx Qx spades and gutters and we have a lot of real equity and fold equity and our hand will also retain its equity well on the turn in most cases. Futhurmore, we can easilly fold to a shove since we will have so many we can bet/call off which makes our range protected from bluffs. With our range we can also represent so many turn cards and we can also make our hand the times we do call. We can also therefore make a call with AQ from our opponent -EV on the turn since our range will contain just enough stronger hands when we shove the turn and get called.
this i dont believe with a proper analysis of yours and villains range given he is a 37/12 loose passive in a 6max multiway. but i am open to be convinced
June 1, 2012
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I am playing my own range in these spots and not my opponents.
June 11, 2012
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redvulture61 said:
I am playing my own range in these spots and not my opponents.
then you are doing something fundamentally wrong
June 1, 2012
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How so? Playing your own range allows you to be balanced and make the most plus EV plays its called the game theory optimal approch. It protects you from bluffs, allows you to get value from made hands, and prevents you from being expoilted. As computers and humans create more correct strategies your reaction to those strategies will matter less which is so true for poker.
June 3, 2012
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Villain should be betting less bluffs given the very shallow 3rd player as well as passive-ish stats, though I wouldn't take too much stock in those with only a 17 hand sample. His range is likely going to consist of hands he will play for stacks against the SB (or either of you), with a few airballs. Given the pot is 3 ways, you would have to commit a decent chunk of your own stack to check raise the flop here if he cbets half pot or bigger. x/r flop, shove turn wouldn't be awful, but I'm more likely to pass this one up as he's a little passive, UTG, would be betting 3 ways, and what I said earlier about the short stack.
February 18, 2013
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Hand 1
I know villain has been dealt very few hands but he has turned up and been Mister Letsseeaflop so I'm assuming a wide range when he calls me.
Some advise to fold pre, this is my standard play UTG but it seems to go against other vids on the site where the advice is be active pre flop and raise with Ax suited to balance your range and take advantage of people who call pre then fold to a cbet. Do we think raising Ax suited is burning money here? I have to admit I don't like to play out of position with these hands when I completely miss the flop and have no back end draw.
As for 1/3 bet, I'm just not sure about this, I like it and small ball(ish) suits my style of play BUT betting 1/3 pot on the flop very often results in players floating, so although you need it to get folds less often than a 1/2 pot cbet to be profitable I do feel that it encourages people to mess with you on the flop or on the turn. Thoughts?
If we check the flop with this hand/flop regularly does this not make it exploitable, i.e. shouldn't we be betting our A9 suited when an Ace hits the same as we are AK, AQ to disguise our range a little better?
Hand 2
I prefer check call to betting to keep worse hands in, but this goes against my query above about disguising our range.
Hand 3
OK guess it should have been a fold pre
Hand 4
This is a good example (?) of one of the videos on the site which states that playing suited connectors is positional, i.e. much easier to play in position than out of position, I guess this is true of any hand but with pocket pairs they are less positional as if you miss you usually fold but if you hit you are strong enough to be able to give a free street.
Thanks for the interesting responses so far, would be good to get some thoughts on the above questions, I'll then post the flop action for all 4 hands and the turn card to see what thoughts you have, before posting turn action and river card for a final round of input. Finally I'll spill which of the 4 hands I won and will be interesting to see if it turns out to be wrong play right result, and if any of the other hands were right play wrong result – I think when I play a hand over multiple streets it's easy for me to decide I didn't play the hand right when I lose (and vice versa when I win, whereas if it's a preflop shove/reshove/call it's a lot easier to decide it was the right move based on my own and opponents ranges.
Cheers! 
August 31, 2013
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For hand 4 I think it's just a problem of board texture. First, do you think he is Cbetting this board light often in 3way pot? His preflop range is pretty tight and that flop hits blind's calling range, I don't think you have a lot a FE when he cbets. Second, as I said, against his value range you only have 23% on that flop, if the board was Q J 2
you would have about 35% and I would be more inclined to call or raise.
June 11, 2012
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redvulture61 said:
How so? Playing your own range allows you to be balanced and make the most plus EV plays its called the game theory optimal approch. It protects you from bluffs, allows you to get value from made hands, and prevents you from being expoilted. As computers and humans create more correct strategies your reaction to those strategies will matter less which is so true for poker.
maximizing +EV you can only do if you play your range optimally vs your villains range. If for example villains range in the example is JJ+,AJs+ then you can do whatever you want with your range you will find a hard time to make +EV decisions at all.
June 1, 2012
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You obviously dont know the first thing about optimal play. Optimal play does not care if your opponent is Phil Ivey or me or what your opponents range is. It cares about making the most plus Ev play with your own range and playing in a balanced way where you make your opponents indifferent to calling or folding. Obviously we dont know the optimal play for every situation since poker is far from solved.
June 11, 2012
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redvulture61 said:
You obviously dont know the first thing about optimal play. Optimal play does not care if your opponent is Phil Ivey or me or what your opponents range is. It cares about making the most plus Ev play with your own range and playing in a balanced way where you make your opponents indifferent to calling or folding. Obviously we dont know the optimal play for every situation since poker is far from solved.
its not me but mathew janda who is not understanding the concept if you argue like this
April 8, 2013
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Hand 1: I fold this generally preflop but as played Im definitely cbetting this flop. You get into a ton of tricky spots when the flop checks through and bb leads the turn or if the villain bets the flop you have a hard time playing the rest of the hand oop without the betting lead.
Hand 2:I definitely cbet the flop here as others have said. There really arent a ton of Kx hands in his range and i dont think people understand how wide 24/16 actually is.
Hand 3:Fold pre/check fold flop as played
Hand 4:
In hand 4 I think I check fold most of the time. I completely disagree with the balancing your range arguement. It is pretty insignificant when you are playing >30bb postflop poker. His range is extremely important here and when is willing to get it in, you are drawing very thin and possibly dead. There are certainly boards where I check jam but this is def not one of them.
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September 28, 2012
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1: I bet small here liek 25-30% of pot. Values all his worse A and worse Kings, prevents the pot form getting checked, and allows yoju to keep agression.
2. I liek cehck call. You are really not protecting your hand with a bet ehre, he doesnt really call all that much worse outside of QJ type hands, and with those hands you wont get much more than 1 street of value anyways so its probably better to make that value on a later street, and give him a chance to bluff.
3. Fold pre, as played open fold flop.
4. Check/decide, not much else you can dpo. I guess with the right image you could donk lead like half pot.
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June 1, 2012
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florianm1 said:
redvulture61 said:
You obviously dont know the first thing about optimal play. Optimal play does not care if your opponent is Phil Ivey or me or what your opponents range is. It cares about making the most plus Ev play with your own range and playing in a balanced way where you make your opponents indifferent to calling or folding. Obviously we dont know the optimal play for every situation since poker is far from solved.
its not me but mathew janda who is not understanding the concept if you argue like this
June 11, 2012
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redvulture61 said:
florianm1 said:
redvulture61 said:
You obviously dont know the first thing about optimal play. Optimal play does not care if your opponent is Phil Ivey or me or what your opponents range is. It cares about making the most plus Ev play with your own range and playing in a balanced way where you make your opponents indifferent to calling or folding. Obviously we dont know the optimal play for every situation since poker is far from solved.
its not me but mathew janda who is not understanding the concept if you argue like this
He is not wrong you just completely misunderstand his videos. I am no expert but i know that game theory optimal play does not care who your opponent is.
we are probably not talking about the same thing
i assume there is a difference between GTO play and theoretical optimal poker which i was talking about
cheers
February 18, 2013
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Good to see florian and red have kissed and made up 
So popular choices are Hands 1 & 2 – Check/call or bet/evaluate; Hand 3 – fold pre; Hand 4; check/evaulate
Here's how the flop to turn played out:
Hand 1 – With stacks behind me I don't hate my raise pre-flop, on the flop I bet out , villain had only bean dealt 4 hands but gone to showdown for 3 of them and lost 2 of those so I figured a bet was decent value with top pair, I think my bet of 500 was too much, 350 would probably have been enough, I'm expecting a call from villain and plan to bet the turn when this happens due to his propensity to go to showdown. When he calls and 3h hits what's your play?
Pre Flop: (240.00) Hero has 9 A
[color=red]Hero raises to 300.00[/color], fold, fold, Villain calls 300.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, player22848 calls 200.00
Flop: (1040.00, 3 players) A 5 K
player22848 checks, [color=red]Hero bets 500.00[/color], Villain calls 500.00, fold
Turn: (2040.00, 2 players) 3
Hand 2 – I think I prefer to fold AQ pre-flop with two stacks behind who can call with a wide range and put me in a tricky spot post-flop (NIT alert) – as played I think I prefer a check call against villains stack size to keep the pot smaller, this is what I do and I think it's an easy call. Does his bet sizing tell us anything and what is your play when the 10 hits?
Pre Flop: (675.00) Hero has A Q
[color=red]Hero raises to 777.00[/color], fold, fold, Villain calls 777.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold
Flop: (2229.00, 2 players) K 2 Q
Hero checks, [color=red]Villain bets 920.00[/color], Al29 calls 920.00
Turn: (4069.00, 2 players) T
Hand 3 – should have folded pre, when the flop hit I bet half pot, at the time my thinking was that flop didn't hit much of the villains PFR range – I'd expect 88+, AJ+, QK to be raising PF with stacks behind who can call a PFR but cause a limp fest without a raise, the limp felt very much small pair to me in play. What's your play when the 2nd A hits the turn?
Pre Flop: (300.00) Hero has K 5
fold, fold, fold, Villain calls 200.00, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 100.00, krashinsky checks
Flop: (600.00, 3 players) A 9 Q
[color=red]Hero bets 300.00[/color], fold, Villain calls 300.00
Turn: (1200.00, 2 players) A
Hand 4 – should have checked the flop, but instead OMG, what an awful donk bet, now take a step away from reality for a minute and assume you could donk as badly as I just did, if so what's your play on the turn? lol
Pre Flop: (300.00) Hero has T K
[color=red]Villain raises to 400.00[/color], fold, fold, fold, einguck calls 300.00, Hero calls 200.00
Flop: (1200.00, 3 players) J Q J
einguck checks, [color=red]Hero bets 600.00[/color], Villain calls 600.00, fold
Turn: (2400.00, 2 players) 6
Cheers TPEers.
June 11, 2012
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hand1:
i check back and bet if he checks again on river and might call any normal bet
hand2:
his sizing can mean a lot as there is not much to protect again.
c/call again
hand3:
A is probably the worst card to continue telling a storry. It is less likely now that you have an A.
so i def give up
BTW i donk a lot and sometimes i also do it as “bad” as you did it 😀
and: i wanted to state it previously but i would bet 50$ that you won hand 3. you bet again on turn and river. didnt you?
cheers
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