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4-handed facing overbet flop shove
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August 22, 2015 - 2:53 pm
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Blinds 2500/5000/500 

SB – 80K

BB – 110K

CU – 90K

BU – 355K

 

Prizes 1st – $3900, 2nd  $2640, 3rd 1760, 4th 1210

So I got a small chip lead near the money bubble. Since the I have been scooping up a lot of blinds and antes with small pre-flop raises and little resistance. Much of the table including 2 of the 3 villains left (SB and cutoff) have been consitstently unwilling to fight back without a strong hand.  The cutoff limp /folded his SB to me a few times then basically gave me walks. The SB had folded himslef down to 7BB. Only the BB had been putting up resistance. He was slightly younger and more splashy and bluffy early. However, he had been mostly playing the final table conservatively. He scored a double knockout with 99 vs AK and AJ to burst the money bubble and had been coasting comfortably in second for a while.  However, the small blind just doubled through the cutoff after folding down to 6 blinds. A few hands later the cutoff doubled through the BB so his grip on second place was slipping a bit.

 

Pre-flop Hero raises button 12.5K SB folds BB calls.

Flop (27K) Jspade9club6spade BB shoves for 97K

 

On the one hand this bet seems like ICM suicide for the BB. On the other hand it could be tilt/ frustration or designed for maximum fold equity.

 

I'm reluctant to say my specific hand (QspadeJdiamond) since I'm more curious about the broader question of what should be hero's calling range in this spot?

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August 23, 2015 - 11:25 am
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J9 and sets. If you can keep picking up pots with little resistance, you might as well let this one go. It also sets up nicely if he does this again later in the same spot. He'll feel rewarded when you lay this down, and it could widen his shoving range.

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I thought I would share my ICM analysis on this situation. ICM is one of the advanced tournament concepts that I think I understand in theory but haven’t dug into in practice to the point where I feel fluent. Let me know if you spot any errors.

I used the ICM calculator at icmpoker.com to look at the three possible outcomes when the big blind villain shoves. a) hero folds. b) hero calls and wins and c) hero calls and loses.

If hero folds, the stacks and $EV will be respectively
BB – 77K / $1963
SB – 131.5K / $2361
CU – 89.5K / $2068
BU – 342K / $3178

If hero calls and wins, the stacks and $EV will be
BB – 77K / $2343
SB – 0 / $1210
CU – 89.5K / $2430
BU – 473.5K / $3582

If hero calls and loses, the results are
BB – 77K / $1920
SB – 233.5K / $2802
CU – 89.5K / $2022
BU – 240K / $2826

If hero calls and wins, he gains $404 in $EV ($3582-$3178). But if he loses, the hit to $EV is only $352 ($3178-$2826). Since the reward is greater than the risk, hero needs less than 50% equity to call. The the break even point is actually 46.6% (352/(352+404))

I was initially surprised by this result. One central implication of ICM theory is that when two big stacks collide, the players who gain the most are the ones not in the hand. I expected ICM to conclude that hero should be much more conservative in calling. In ICM analysis the difference in equity between $EV and cEV calls can be dramatic.

What I failed to consider is the great benefit to the chip leader of busting the second biggest stack.
Knocking out any player guarantees that hero at least 3rd place. Winning this pot gives hero a huge advantage at the top prize with 3/4 of the chips in a 3-handed game.

Since overbets like this are rare, it’s hard to estimate villain’s range. But with a wet board, I’m assuming top pair is definitely good enough to call.

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August 28, 2015 - 11:04 pm
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tough spot for sure 😛 do you reckon v will shove QTo 78s/T8s?

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I called villian had Kclub2club for pure air. He didn't improve and I had 75% of the chips with 3 players left.

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August 29, 2015 - 9:13 pm
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LOL nice! Maybe he thought his backdoor was the nuts haha.

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btw did you ship it?

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