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3bet squeeze oop w two flatters ip, cbet flop or check/fold?

KingBustYou

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August 4, 2011 - 5:52 pm

IR's stats were about 28/26 over 110 sum hands and button was about 14/9 over 30 sum hands. I had been tight at the beginning of this table till i started shoving a few times ip and got called by bb w AK when i buttonshoved Q7s for 18bb and got there. After that I had 3bet a few times ip, once i got a fold and the second time villain flatted oop. he c/c my pocket treys cbet on Q2Q, we both checked the ace on the turn and when villain ch the river 9 which completed the fd I bet under half pot for over half of villain's remaining stack and got a fold. Opened a few times more to take the blinds and cbetted KQs on a AKx board making the caller fold.

My stats were about 18/18 over 120 hands.

IR had been opening every orbit when in lp and w the button flatting I thought it was a good spot to squeeze, although i put the button on a fairly narrow range of pairs and big suited broadways.

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 – 9 players

TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

staydownboy (UTG+2): BB = 20.4, t61156
molnid (MP1): BB = 18.0, t53967
wega5555 (MP2): BB = 60.9, t182799
Machine8204 (CO): BB = 11.0, t32893
klimov1801 (BTN): BB = 49.9, t149711
BAD-J0HN (SB): BB = 21.6, t64776
Hero (BB): BB = 41.4, t124259
Cocaka (UTG): BB = 38.4, t115101
DCorreia666 (UTG+1): BB = 19.7, t59061

Pre Flop: (t7200) Hero is BB with 5 of diamonds 8 of hearts
4 folds, wega5555 raises to t6750, 1 fold, klimov1801 calls t6750, 1 fold, Hero raises to t21000, wega5555 calls t14250, klimov1801 calls t14250

Flop: (t67200) 3 of hearts 2 7 of clubs (3 players)

mmfitter

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August 5, 2011 - 3:34 pm

If u come out with anything around a 1/2 pot cbet, your going to have about 40% of your original stack invested in this hand. And I'm not sure how often its gonna get thru. I think at the very least if you don't face a raise, one or both are going to be contiuing way too often for your cbet to be profitable. And if that happens, you're oop once again and you will be ch/f'ing the turn almost always.

Def a nice try but it didn't work. Ch/f and don't compound your problems.

hawkeyeK9

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August 5, 2011 - 6:36 pm

I think a squeeze bet here has to be bigger to price them out and not want to play position with you. Stats you did not add is there fold % to 3bets. I am always looking at that stat before making a play like this. Your image sounds a little to loose to make this play also. I am more inclined to make such a play with a hand that at least flops well such as T9s. So I think this is not a good spot given the stats or lack of stats, your image, and your hand. Good to be thinking of these plays but this just doesnt seem like the time.

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August 6, 2011 - 8:32 am

This move seems very unnecessary, especially being OOP and including a tight button's flat. Unless we know that both of them have a very high fold to 3 bet % over a good sample size I'm picking hands with better equity to squeeze with OOP in case we're called in 1 or 2 spots.

If this was a HJ open and CO flat I think we could feasibly squeeze ATC but I don't like this particular spot.

rivermen123

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August 6, 2011 - 10:52 pm

FkCoolers said:

This move seems very unnecessary, especially being OOP and including a tight button's flat. Unless we know that both of them have a very high fold to 3 bet % over a good sample size I'm picking hands with better equity to squeeze with OOP in case we're called in 1 or 2 spots.

If this was a HJ open and CO flat I think we could feasibly squeeze ATC but I don't like this particular spot.

Another reason it's not necessary is the stack sizes. This type of move with 40-ish bb could potentially put you in some really ugly spots postflop (especially being oop). It would be a better move if you're deep enough not to have to spazz get it in with 8 high because you get pot committed.

As played, I either c/f flop or (particularly if i'm one-tabling) I lead out really small to induce a raise, then 3bet jam the flop….lol.

Edit: option 3, check/shove flop (“spazz get it in with 8 high”)…thoughts?

(Another edit….if you're going to make preflop moves with garbage, do it in position rather than from the blinds so you're not put into nightmare spots on the flop….imo.)

hapetimes

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August 7, 2011 - 2:05 am

yeah seems a bit crazy with not the tightest table image to back it up and a hand that plays very poorly post flop

now that we see the flop though i feel like it's weak if we just check fold, but unfortunately the only ammo we have left is a couple of crazy plays as stated – check jam or lead out small to induce a raise

some risky plays imo

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August 7, 2011 - 2:35 pm

rivermen123 said:

FkCoolers said:

This move seems very unnecessary, especially being OOP and including a tight button's flat. Unless we know that both of them have a very high fold to 3 bet % over a good sample size I'm picking hands with better equity to squeeze with OOP in case we're called in 1 or 2 spots.

If this was a HJ open and CO flat I think we could feasibly squeeze ATC but I don't like this particular spot.

Another reason it's not necessary is the stack sizes. This type of move with 40-ish bb could potentially put you in some really ugly spots postflop (especially being oop). It would be a better move if you're deep enough not to have to spazz get it in with 8 high because you get pot committed.

As played, I either c/f flop or (particularly if i'm one-tabling) I lead out really small to induce a raise, then 3bet jam the flop….lol.

Edit: option 3, check/shove flop (“spazz get it in with 8 high”)…thoughts?

(Another edit….if you're going to make preflop moves with garbage, do it in position rather than from the blinds so you're not put into nightmare spots on the flop….imo.)

I like option 3 since we already spazzed preflop lol… keep it consistent! In all seriousness it's probably the only way to get either of them off a hand.

Alextoon1

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August 9, 2011 - 8:37 am

I bet around 30K and fold/shut down if get raise or called.

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