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April 16, 2013
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I couldn't get it formatted properly but its 9handed in $21 super-knockout buts its a simple enough hand. Blinds are 60/120 with ante 15
C0 (103bb)
Button – Hero (20bb)
SB – (70bb)
BB – (48bb)
Big stack opens CO and I shove 20bb in his face with KTo. Too thin aganst this guy or a good spot? i have effectively 0 reads as I had only been at the table for one orbit before this.
August 21, 2012
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readless i don't like this spot. we have no idea how the big stack has been playing at all. its a KO too so chances are he's gonna be calling real wide for the bounty. i think we have little fold equity here and our hand doesn't play well at all against his range here. i think we also have enough chips to find a better spot. i'd say this is a -ev shove here.
August 8, 2013
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Folds to the CO and he opens? You need a double-up, not 4BB you win when he actually folds pre. I would just fold and rip a hand with better SD value and save ripping the KTo range for medium stacks.
March 26, 2013
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I think the biggest problem with jamming this type of hand against the cut-off is that when called you are going to be dominated so often as you will probably get called by say 66+, KQ+ etc and KT will not perform well against that range.
I think the fact that you know nothing about the villain makes it an automatic fold. If you knew the villain was folding say 65% or more of his initial raises in this spot then you can consider shoving but you still have the problem of getting called by the SB/BB to be concerned with as well. If it was KTs then that might add a little extra weight to your shove.
April 16, 2013
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Yea, it folded round to CO and he opened. How would your answers change with KJo, KJs, KQo, kQs? (in this same spot).
March 26, 2013
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I think KJ+ starts becoming a possible. I would almost certainly shove KQ+ here and some pairs. Most of the time it really depends on what we know about the opener. With no read I think I am willing to chance KQ+ and most pairs (55+ or so).
August 8, 2013
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Poking_Fun said:
I think KJ+ starts becoming a possible. I would almost certainly shove KQ+ here and some pairs. Most of the time it really depends on what we know about the opener. With no read I think I am willing to chance KQ+ and most pairs (55+ or so).
I agree, although the top of my range I'm going to open normally.
March 26, 2013
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Agree that opening with top of our range is fine but this situation has a raise in front of us and with 20bbs it has to be a shove even with top of our range as 3bet here looks much stronger than we would want villain to believe in this spot assuming I have understood you correctly.
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July 20, 2010
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not a fan this rip it was unexploitable 3-4 years ago but now adays you can almost 3 bet fold,people are clicking buttons so easily these days that your getting looked up so often flipping or behind il be it slightly behind most of the time but none the less…K9 is never opening into your stack often enough to show long term profit here and since your part of the tpe nation its clear your better than these players and dont need to be flipping here
April 16, 2013
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Thanks for the feedback guys. It's much appreciated
March 8, 2013
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Remember the superknockout means you are much more likely to get called by hands like KQ, 22, etc that villain might normally fold but are still ahead of your range. I would fold here.
i agree with above posters' positions regarding this hand, and i wanted to add that nobody has thought about 3b to 4.5-5x and taking over preflop aggression. even peeling not so bad with a 20bb stack. all seem like better options than shoving for sure and depending on your/your opponents post flop play, 3b or peeling pre might be better than folding also.
April 16, 2013
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MovesLikeDarvin said:
“3b or peeling pre might be better than folding also”
I feel like 3bet-folding is bad here because if he 4bet rips then we lose close to 25% stack. I defintely don't like the shove but do you raise-fold <20bb stacks much? Seems so risky to me but I am trying to play 16-22bb stacks better than I currently do. I play these stacks really weakly and find myself folding far too much.
yeah a Daryl Jace type pro will tell you he does this all the time. hes found that with how strong this (should) look to an opponent it will look like this is a never-folding scenario and force him to fold all but the premiums in his range. if his range for opening is adequately wide pre (in this pos i would assume it is) we would show a good chip gain long run even given how ugly it feels to 3b/f for 20-25% of our stack
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