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villain was playing 24/24 in 17 hands. Villain opened 3x in ep and i 3bet to 7.5x. flop came 642 w 2 diamonds and villain leads out. I thought he mightve had 88-JJ here or AK/AQ and flatting his bet so i could instacall his turnshove.
Now looking at it, there is a fd and a gutshot straight draw and if an ace or king turned i wouldve been in a pickle if any of those completed/showed up.
After he donkbet the flop, i would only have a potbet behind, so that makes reshoving the flop a more viable option instead of slowplaying and being put in a tough spot when a scary turncard appears.
Having analyzed my hand already, my question is: my play was def tricky, but was it bad or just not worth the risk?
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t40 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
SergeySil83 (BTN): BB = 46.0, t13800
avraam1966 (SB): BB = 24.9, t7466
Donny Dabrow (BB): BB = 10.3, t3100
Lotta<3 (UTG): BB = 11.2, t3362
rafdef (UTG+1): BB = 43.5, t13037
grod3 (UTG+2): BB = 15.2, t4545
mozart1947 (MP1): BB = 37.5, t11249
Ayaz.com (MP2): BB = 43.9, t13160
Hero (CO): BB = 46.6, t13995
Pre Flop: (t810) Hero is CO with Q
Q
1 fold, rafdef raises to t900, 3 folds, Hero raises to t2255, 3 folds, rafdef calls t1355
Flop: (t5320) 6 4 2
(2 players)
rafdef bets t2400, Hero calls t2400
Turn: (t10120) 3 (2 players)
rafdef checks, Hero bets t3300, rafdef raises to t8342 all in, Hero calls t5042
River: (t26804) 6 (2 players – 1 is all in)
I would click it back to him on the flop, if you get action then snap call his shove as quick as humanly possible (that bit is very important) or shove most turns if he flats.
ton of options here. u went for maximum value in the hand so i think u definately playd it optimally. if we were ahead pre then i dont see y we're not ahead on this flop. i mean, he is deep enough to have small pr's in his raise/calling range that could be crushing us right now, but that would be really unfortunate. so calling is optimal here. NOTE: must balance calling and raisng range in this spot tho. but here i like callng. when he chks turn ur lead(btw sizing is off) also gets the desired action as i think a lot of times drws and pr's we beat shove. balancing our attack is always a hard thing to do. although we have a perfect pot size shove, we may actually lose value to pr's that we beat by shoving turn. as villian has seen a 3bet pre, call on flop and now shove on turn. it has to be an over pr and he folds.
i think gOliath's line is ok too in order to balance our approach. because in this spot by clicking it back a lot of pr's will call/shove off. drws too for that matter.
so well playd….. my guess is villian flopped middle set or had 55 for a str8t…. lol
dont be results oriented.
bjizz
weak donkbets usually means that your opponent is on a draw or is finding out where he stands, so just calling here on a wet board I'm giving villain the opportunity to outdraw me whereas the flop wouldve been 1063r there's a lot more merrit in just flatting his bet and getting it in on the turn.
I dont hate my play, but when he donkbet I was putting him on the hand he had and cried called the turn bassically knowing I was as good as dead. I don't mind getting sucked out on, cuz then I know I played it right but when I feel i couldve played the hand better not letting them outdraw me sucks a bit.
I'm a being results orientated, prolly a bit. But it doesnt change the fact that I shouldve played my hand faster w flush and straight draws on the flop.
But I appreciate the responses either way.
KingBustYou said:
weak donkbets usually means that your opponent is on a draw or is finding out where he stands, so just calling here on a wet board I'm giving villain the opportunity to outdraw me whereas the flop wouldve been 1063r there's a lot more merrit in just flatting his bet and getting it in on the turn.
I dont hate my play, but when he donkbet I was putting him on the hand he had and cried called the turn bassically knowing I was as good as dead. I don't mind getting sucked out on, cuz then I know I played it right but when I feel i couldve played the hand better not letting them outdraw me sucks a bit.
I'm a being results orientated, prolly a bit. But it doesnt change the fact that I shouldve played my hand faster w flush and straight draws on the flop.
But I appreciate the responses either way.
indeed u are being results oriented. considering the pre flop action, this is a dream flop for QQ and u have a diam blocker for a backdoor drw. i mean really, other than fd, sets(which we're already losing to) and villian trapping with overs, wt else is out there considering the pre flop action. the diam drw did not connect which makes me feel safe and i really cant assign him to running clubs but ive seen it happen. does A5, A6, 44, 33 and 55 call pre flop? it shouldnt. if so thats all bad and ur gonna lose anyway, on that txture…. srry. likely drw would be diam fd. unless i had a solid read on villian that he raise/call from ep with small prs and suited ragged aces i think im golden here.
wt did he have?
btw: by playn ur hand faster its not gonna get villian off fd or OESD with two cards to come…
bjizz
bjizz, ur right that im being too results orientated here. but as G0liath mentioned clicking it back on the flop wouldve been better and I wouldve gotten more value from villain if he was on a draw or got it in w lower pairs cuz if an Q/K/A turned they would prolly shut down or perhaps bluff me off the best hand or get there.
he had 55 and made his gutter
I dont think you should ever slowplay this flop there are so many cards that could come to make you vomit. any A, any K, any diamond, any 3, any 5, any 6.
Just raise to get value from the times he has a peice of the flop and make him fold if he hasnt. Slowplaying one (vulnerable) pair on a suited straightening board is a ticket to tiltsville imo.
I only ever slowplay the nuts or close to it, anything else is too high variance. Just Bet Bet Bet!
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