what does betting turn accomplish? doubt we are getting called by worse. When V calls flop their range will be either marginal/draw. On the turn they’ve either improved to flushes maybe even a straight with T9. Of course we may be ahead of Jx 99 and TT but these hands are probably checking behind here OTT anyway. Of course v may turn a hand like J9 into a bluff OTT but i just don’t think many players at these stakes are capable of doing that. I just think that v range is weighted towards monsters ott and  maybe marginal hands as well. I think on the turn we have to decide whether we wanna c/c or c/f. If we c/c though v could bomb river putting us in a tough spot , so yeah just depends on how often u think v will be bluffing here if they do shove river. I’d probably fold river if we did c/c turn though , i doubt many players will bluff river in this spot that often.

Very nice post Foucault and thanks.

the turn does not really change much does it?…our percieved range will still be rather wide on the turn, which will mean V will calling way to often with their marginal hands that a bet would be profitable here.

when hero bets turn though what would you say is the top of hero’s range? I doubt JQ is in their range right? I’d say hands like JJ/QQ/KK/AA/AQ , maybe even flushes. 

what do we do on the river though if we are called? lets just say the river is a blank..i dunno 5 there’s going to be around 12k in the pot ,  do we shove? i’m pretty sure here we do because if we check v will be checking back those marginal hands like TT/JJ JT/KJ/AJ which we lose value from. If they shove what does their range look like though? i mean from what you’ve said its rather unlikely they are going to have monsters in their range given how often they turn up with a wider range of hands. checking would be pretty bad on the river because a big chunk of their range consist of marginal hands and BDFD which they’ve called OTT. Obv they could have monsters but not that often yeah?

so on the river they may very well be bluffing with a hand like A 9 or making a thin value bet with better Q , im not to sure if they should or would be checking back a hand like KhQs AhQc otr.

I find this hand very interesting and the more i look at it now betting seems so much better then c/c or c/f turn 🙂