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38BBs A7s, 75 left 56 pay, sitting comfortably in the top 25% - do I need to make a play?
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April 3, 2013 - 4:47 pm
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Interesting spot from an $8.80 500 cap tournament on Stars. Unfortunately PT4 wasn't working today so I had no stats, although my read was that no one had 3b me yet at this table, everyone playing pretty straightforwardly. 

 

The 3b is pretty small so I elect to flat. Is this a mistake OOP? My intention was to float a lot of flops and make a play if he showed weakness on the turn, but do I need to make this sort of play at this level? That is exactly what happens as he checks back turn so I decide to follow through with my plan and make a play at this pot. I decided to shove as I wanted to get the maximum fold equity. It's unlikely he has mid- or higher pocket pairs after checking back the turn so I wonder if I can bet smaller and get him to fold all of his air, like maybe just 7,000 as I don't feel comfortable check/calling this river. Also, this still leaves me with 11k rather than out of the tournament when it goes wrong. Do I get any more folds by shoving river rather than making a more value betting size? It seems like he only ever calls with a Qx hand, so it doesn't matter whether I bet small or jam, it gets the same amount of calls.

 

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t350/t700 Blinds + t85 – 9 players – View hand 2164629
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

SB: BB = 6.8, t4770
BB: BB = 40.3, t28219
UTG: BB = 36.9, t25851
UTG+1: BB = 85.7, t60018
UTG+2: BB = 19.9, t13932
Hero (MP1): BB = 37.6, t26300
MP2: BB = 12.9, t9034
CO: BB = 61.2, t42860
BTN: BB = 23.3, t16279

Pre Flop: (t1815) Hero is MP1 with 7 of diamonds A of diamonds
3 folds, Hero raises to t1581, 1 fold, CO raises to t3150, 3 folds, Hero calls t1569

Flop: (t8115) 2 of clubs 4 of clubs 6 of diamonds (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t4200, Hero calls t4200

Turn: (t16515) 8 of spades (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (t16515) Q of hearts (2 players)
Hero bets t18865 all in, CO calls t18865

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April 3, 2013 - 5:11 pm
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Preflop: I fold to the 3 bet.  1) You are out of position and 2) you are not getting enough implied odds to make this call.

 

Flop:  You cannot effectively float out of position.  Additionally, your stack size is too shallow for a play like this.  

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This just seems insanely spewy.  For me the only play otf is to chk/r or fold.  Floating flop oop to hope he checks back the turn just seems like a “cross my fingers and pray” play.  You don't rep any value hands with your line making it a pretty easy call for villain if he has any sort of a hand.  And no, you don't have to make these types of plays at this level.  I like that you had a plan but I just think it wasn't a very good one to begin with.

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The turn is a good card for you to bet. The river is a horrible card for you to bet. It does a lot better for his range than for yours.

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This hand should never make it to the river given your reads, imo. Pre, either 4 bet click it back (folding to a 5bet), or fold. As played, since you are oop you better have a better plan than what you had. Your plan should NOT be to hope to hit gin; it should be to win this pot regardless. Thus, the flop is either a donk lead, check raise, or check fold (to me cr>dl>cf>check flat). As played turn, your plan HAS to be to lead out on this raggedy-ann board. As played river, I have no issue with the shove if the board pairs or a low card hits, but I would not bluff a queen for the same reason Fkcoolers stated.

 

Be interested to hear other opinions, tho.

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