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33 turbo 6max holding QQ oop virtually readless 80bb deep
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September 9, 2012 - 8:55 pm
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few stages to this hand so we can go through them all, ignore 80bb in title we are 70bb eff 
only 15 hands so no real reads except noone has shown themselves to be obviously retarded.
are we 4b/c 4b/c call/fold call/5bet?
what are people doing?
 
PokerStars - $30+$3|20/40 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 3,795.00
Hero (SB): 2,848.00
BB: 2,795.00
UTG: 2,612.00
MP: 3,215.00
CO: 2,725.00

Hero posts SB 20.00, BB posts BB 40.00

Pre Flop: (60.00) Hero has Qc Qd

UTG raises to 89.00, fold, CO raises to 138.00, fold, Hero ????
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I think most of the lines available would be correct for different table reads but given that you have no read and no image it's a really tough spot imo. For example, it's hard to know if people are going to respect a 4bet here, or if they will flat with worse or even 5bet weaker value or with air. But without reads I guess it's best to assume that most people are playing reasonably straight forward, obv more agg than normal though given that it is 6max. So I would assume that if you cold 4bet to eg 350 here then you are probably folding out most worse hands, maybe getting flats from some mid-pairs, big aces etc, though they will be suspicious and probably not paying off more than 1 street without hitting. If you were to 4bet and they 5bet you then their range is likely crushing you and I think without reads calling off would be bad there, though AK will be in some people's ranges and bluffs for some too. So I don't really like 4bet/calling or 4bet/folding and think that the times you do get flatted you are probably not going to get value. Which makes me think that flatting is the best line, disguising your hand and letting you pot control a bit too.

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Is there any history with either of these guys? Me I prob just flat here in the sb.  But not against a 4b.

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no real history, i havent done anything stupid or aggressive, havent been to show down, same applies to others

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The CO click back 3bet i think is rarely a monster, more likely an average+ hand like KQs 66+ AT / AJ, think this guy is just trying to take charge of the pot in position and find out where his hand is. I think I 4bet here to get a fold from the UTG raise otherwise he has too good a price to come a long if he is opening wide, I dont like playing QQ OOP blind to 2 players. That said UTG has to play v str8 forward post flop in this position.

 

If I get 5bet here I would have to think carefully, Think I might call a snap jam as this is nearly always AK, A 5bet raise to say 2.2x is tricky but I would precede with caution as this smells more like AA/KK. I he flats I put him on 77-JJ (possible slow play KK/AA) and AQ AJ.

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