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I have 2670 with blinds of 20/40 giving me 69 BBs and an M of 46 and I pickup QQ in cutoff.
Thoughts on my preflop play and what you do after, please:
Full Tilt Poker Daily Double – A No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t20/t40 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
pokersetare (SB): t3855 96.38 BBs
nash148 (BB): t3435 85.88 BBs
chakala66 (UTG): t2935 73.38 BBs
ManchVegasPwn (UTG+1): t2763 69.08 BBs
iSeeAllTheCards (UTG+2): t2105 52.62 BBs
yenomrtgllwi (MP1): t3885 97.12 BBs
Adalbertin (MP2): t2920 73 BBs
FabulousTexan (CO): t2760 69 BBs
The TokenIdiot (BTN): t2940 73.50 BBs
Pre Flop: (t60) FabulousTexan is CO with Q
Q
1 fold, ManchVegasPwn raises to t120, 3 folds, FabulousTexan raises to t360, 3 folds, ManchVegasPwn raises to t2763 all in, FabulousTexan …. ???
Just flat first time around, unless you have reads that he's spazzy, in which case 3b/call.
As played I probably just call because its a $10 dollar tournament, however unless guy is complete donkey I doubt hes any wider than AQ+/JJ+
October 6, 2010
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stack off all day every day, and be happy about it
AA/KK mostly dont 4bet shove this early. I would snap – he would turn over AK and spike K on the river > next.
Only because I recognize the player I fold to his 4 bet since he's a nit but otherwise I'm getting it in against a random. Next time disable posting names. Flatting/3bet getting it in is standard in this buyin since random's donks love to shove TT+/AK and yes I would call.
May 26, 2010
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Like bigdog says I would break my arm off getting it in here. There are TWO, count them, TWO hands in the entire deck that you are losing to pre. If you run into K-K or A-A you STILL have 20% to win and if he has ANY other pair, JJ-22 you are a HUGE favourite. I dnn't think I ever fold QQ there really, it's just to strong of a hand.
Even though he is a nit I can't see folding here. He has AK a very large % of the time or maybe he is just tilted from who knows what else.
i wouldn't fold either, but i also probably wouldn't 3bet to begin with (against this villain).
Yeah, if I had to do it all over again, which I don't, I think this is the answer.
A flat call preflop puts me in position.
I put the villain on AK. I wasn't thrilled to be flipping a coin for my tournament life and 60 BBs but it's 2400 to call 2920 and I'm probably at least 53-47. And if I'm up against something like 88-JJ or AQ (hey, it's the $10 DD, we've all seen it happen) then I'm way ahead.
If someone wants to run the math tell me my reasoning here isn't mathematically sound I'm certainly willing to listen.
Bottom line, I call. Villain flips over AKo. K spikes the flop GG me. If I call in position and the K hits the flop I could have gotten away from it.
October 6, 2010
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FabulousTexan said:
Bottom line, I call. Villain flips over AKo. K spikes the flop GG me. If I call in position and the K hits the flop I could have gotten away from it.
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July 20, 2010
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3 bet call imo
Metasploit said:
Like bigdog says I would break my arm off getting it in here. There are TWO, count them, TWO hands in the entire deck that you are losing to pre. If you run into K-K or A-A you STILL have 20% to win and if he has ANY other pair, JJ-22 you are a HUGE favourite. I dnn't think I ever fold QQ there really, it's just to strong of a hand.
+infinity.
meta, im with u and i think u hit the nail on the head. wt determines me avoiding this call in this spot is the investment. if its the main event and this early i can fold. but a $10mtt online this is as easy a call as it is when i have aces…. honestly!
btw, when determining strategy for a particular hand think of wt u really want from the hand and wt u dont want. case and point here, if we're not willing to snap call his 4bet shove then why 3bet? flat and play in pos.
bjizz
If it's agreed that we're a slight favorite vs villains range here, why do we want to flip for stacks in the first couple of levels of of a tournament where there will prob be lots of weak players giving their chips away?
bjizzle44 said:
+infinity.
meta, im with u and i think u hit the nail on the head. wt determines me avoiding this call in this spot is the investment. if its the main event and this early i can fold. but a $10mtt online this is as easy a call as it is when i have aces…. honestly!
btw, when determining strategy for a particular hand think of wt u really want from the hand and wt u dont want. case and point here, if we're not willing to snap call his 4bet shove then why 3bet? flat and play in pos.
bjizz
This is a very good point. If we have no intentions of calling his 4bet here we should be flatting and playing the pot in position.
please don't let the buyin amount dictate your play. You can argue for player strength because of the buyin…but to say it's only a $10 bi flick it in and if u lose oh well to me is the wrong mentality.
I call in this spot everytime. QQ is just WAY too strong to fold here.
You have to call 2400 to win 3180 so you have to be 43% against his range to make this call profitable. QQ is profitable 43% against 99+,AKs (Top 3%), but is villain 4b jamming here with 99? I think he's more likely flatting your 3b here with 99-TT so his range is JJ+,AK+ which we are 47% against making this a snap call. If his range is tighter say QQ+,AK+ then we're 40.2% so this is a really tough spot since I would put villain on the tighter range this early with no reads.
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